The Labour Government

John John said:
It seems like we have to suck it up. Nobody in government gives a fuck about it . It never affects them or the civil service (who run the country) with their extremely generous pensions . This is not going to end well for any of us
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Well it impacted the Govt of the day as they were booted out and are currently languishing in the doldrums, so I would venture they did indeed give a fuck.

#Brexitwave.
 
John John said:
With 3 kids and a mortgage there was never much left over for a private pension
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Those were your priorites and at least you have a property. But as it is your pension is not as much as you'd like it to be. For it to be better would have meant you paying higher taxes/NI for your working life. In hindsight, you'd probably have been better actually paying into a private/comapany pension and actually benefitting form tax breaks to do so. I hope the kids are not Liverpool fans like their Dad!!!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The numbers are ridiculous and completely unsustainable. We dont have the infrastructure and there seems to be no long term planning at all.

We’ve had more immigration recently than the last 1000 years or so. Who actually voted for this or wants it?
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Oh be careful we have to welcome everyone no matter if there’s nowhere to put them, services to look after them etc!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The numbers are ridiculous and completely unsustainable. We dont have the infrastructure and there seems to be no long term planning at all.

We’ve had more immigration recently than the last 1000 years or so. Who actually voted for this or wants it?
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Well 52% voted for it indirectly. Pre 2016 the vast majority were from the EU and after a few years here many went back. Now, the majority are from India, Pakistan and Nigeria. Once here, the chances of them going back is way down on what it was for EU citizens. So if you voted leave, you may not want it but you did vote for it. I remeber a conversation me and Mrs h had at the time saying the numbers would be similar but the "flavour" would change-we were spot on. Unfortunately, Farage who helped get us here is now desperately trying to clear up his own excrement and people are falling for it all over again.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well 52% voted for it indirectly. Pre 2016 the vast majority were from the EU and after a few years here many went back. Now, the majority are from India, Pakistan and Nigeria. Once here, the chances of them going back is way down on what it was for EU citizens. So if you voted leave, you may not want it but you did vote for it. I remeber a conversation me and Mrs h had at the time saying the numbers would be similar but the "flavour" would change-we were spot on. Unfortunately, Farage who helped get us here is now desperately trying to clear up his own excrement and people are falling for it all over again.
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I can see your trying to link this to brexit. Who mentioned the eu or where these people have come from? (It’s the sheer number).

The level of immigration we currently have is completely on the government (this one and the last) who have decided to implement this policy.

It doesn’t matter if it’s eu citizens or not the numbers are crazy. By the way the number of non eu migrants moving to countries like France, Germany and Italy are also crazy and there in the eu.
 
Kompany Car said:
Nope it would be less than £6Bn for the tunnel and station. For reference the tunnels for HS2 which are designed to operate at 140mph which adds to the complexity, cost around £250m per mile. You dont need more than 6 miles of tunnels so around £1.5Bn would cover the tunnels. Mainline station modifications at Piccadilly and Lyme Street you wouldnt get much change out of £500m for each station. Once you move out of the city, if you still want tunnels a cut and cover design which is much cheaper than bored tunnels could be used.

Plain line electrified railway costs around £2m per single track km so a 2 track railway so roughly 65km (giving a bit of leeway) from Manchester to Liverpool = 65km*4 tracks*£2m = £520m, stick some additional stations in they are about £40m each to design and build (lets say 5 = £200m).

Still well within the £6Bn and still plenty of fat for all the consents, land purchase etc.

That said the rate at which we sanction the construction of such projects, inflation would probably make the £6Bn become £12Bn by the time its started.
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Others beg to differ.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

Report: HS2 gives reasons for Manchester station stance - Place North West

An underground station at Manchester Piccadilly would take up to 13 years longer to build and cost around £12bn, compared to £7bn for the existing above-ground proposal, according to a report.
www.placenorthwest.co.uk www.placenorthwest.co.uk
 
hilts said:
The reward is the higher wages during your whole working life and any private pension you daft twat:-)
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You're the daft twat mate ;-) Penalizing people for working extra hard and being successful has been a recipe for success the world over, hasn't it. Have you actually noticed the state the country is in, at all? Never mind, you carry on thinking that taking more and more money off people will be a success and I can look forward to Labour being obliterated in 4 more years or less.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s a pointless exercise that, far from doing anything useful, will lead to people being arrested for ‘not carrying it’. It’ll be sold as a way to ‘stop illegal migration’ but will, of course, do no such thing.
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Apart from the fact it will be digital only, on smart phones, it will be for jobs only and students, pensioners and those not seeking work will be exempt and you will not be required to carry it with you.

It’s an utterly futile policy that serves no purpose whatsoever.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I can see your trying to link this to brexit. Who mentioned the eu or where these people have come from? (It’s the sheer number).

The level of immigration we currently have is completely on the government (this one and the last) who have decided to implement this policy.

It doesn’t matter if it’s eu citizens or not the numbers are crazy. By the way the number of non eu migrants moving to countries like France, Germany and Italy are also crazy and there in the eu.
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Before Brexit most immigrants were skilled people working in finance, health, and IT from modern European countries. Now they are mostly unskilled and very often people with nothing in common with UK culture.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're the daft twat mate ;-) Penalizing people for working extra hard and being successful has been a recipe for success the world over, hasn't it. Have you actually noticed the state the country is in, at all? Never mind, you carry on thinking that taking more and more money off people will be a success and I can look forward to Labour being obliterated in 4 more years or less.
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You weren't penalised you got paid, thats why you are a daft twat. Be thankful there was another daft twat willing to pay you even though you were and are a twat and daft. Daft twat:-)
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Before Brexit most immigrants were skilled people working in finance, health, and IT from modern European countries. Now they are mostly unskilled and very often people with nothing in common with UK culture.
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Damn Btexit for forcing us to take unskilled workers and shunning skilled ones.
 
hampshireblue said:
Those were your priorites and at least you have a property. But as it is your pension is not as much as you'd like it to be. For it to be better would have meant you paying higher taxes/NI for your working life. In hindsight, you'd probably have been better actually paying into a private/comapany pension and actually benefitting form tax breaks to do so. I hope the kids are not Liverpool fans like their Dad!!!
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My working life is split roughly 24 years HM forces/civil service, 17 years private. My private pension that was frozen 20 years ago before I transferred out to my own pot, outstrips my civil service pension by about 4/1. If I had to rely on my civil service pension ide be working until I am 80. This gold plated civil service pension shit from the person you responded to is just that, bullshit. Maybe a few have done very well but the vast majority don’t.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Before Brexit most immigrants were skilled people working in finance, health, and IT from modern European countries. Now they are mostly unskilled and very often people with nothing in common with UK culture.
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That’s entirely on the British government and the immigration policy they’ve chosen. Those same unskilled migrants are also going to most European countries in huge numbers.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I can see your trying to link this to brexit. Who mentioned the eu or where these people have come from? (It’s the sheer number).

The level of immigration we currently have is completely on the government (this one and the last) who have decided to implement this policy.

It doesn’t matter if it’s eu citizens or not the numbers are crazy. By the way the number of non eu migrants moving to countries like France, Germany and Italy are also crazy and there in the eu.
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I answered your question "who voted for this or wants it"

It is linked to Brexit, but if you voted for it I can imagine you wouldn't want to admit you helped facilitate it. i can look in the mirror knowing I didn't.

I did try to explain that most EU citizens who came here were of a more transitory nature than the likes of the Indians, Pakistanis etc, but maybe you can't see the link between higher numbers and people staying versus those coming here for a few years and returning to their own countries.

The only really bad "policy" implemented is that the Tories decided to put a stop to processing and now the carnage needs to be sorted. It won't take a few months though.

I agree the numbers do seem high but as a nation, we are bang average for the level of immigration we encounter.

Unfortunately all countries are affected by migration ( we go to Thailand in the winter and the hotel staff are rarely Thais but Burmese, funnily enough doing jobs the locals don't want to do, exactlyas happens here). The world is an unstable place to live and millions are on the move not only to avoid persecution but to get a better life for themselves financially(remember Norman Tebbit telling people to get on their bikes to look for work?).

We as a nation are not exempt from it despite our British exceptionalism thinking we should be. The best thing we can do is get to a position that as many of those that are in the country are here legally, contributing and working for the good of the country. The sooner that happens the sooner the likes of Farage are no longer able to feed racist red meat to the Daily Mail readers and the like and hte massive splits that have happened may start to get healed.
 
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hilts said:
You weren't penalised you got paid, thats why you are a daft twat. Be thankful there was another daft twat willing to pay you even though you were and are a twat and daft. Daft twat:-)
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I might be daft, but my bank balance says otherwise whilst your's I suggest, says you are a moron :-) Have a nice evening.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I might be daft, but my bank balance says otherwise whilst your's I suggest, says you are a moron :-) Have a nice evening.
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You've never seen my bank balance and I would never judge anyone on theirs tbh but you're old and bitter for some reason.
Why are you so obsessed about it? Money that is? It's not brought you much happiness, only a daft twat wouldn't have worked this out by now. I sussed it in my 30s.
It's a genuine shame that people can go through their whole lives without realising what is truly important.

I also wish you a nice weekend but I'm not sure it's possible.
 
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