The Labour Government

Pandemic, financial crash, interest rates going up because arbitrary credit ratings agencies reduce your ratings, a madman taking over the White House imposing tariffs and thus reducing profits and, of course, the electorate voting for something like Brexit, resulting in a reduction in GDP, whilst putting up the cost of living for everyone, or war(s).
Would any of those count if manifesto promises were subsequently broken or is it a zero sum game and it's off with their heads?
You are thinking in line with current thinking. The point is that no credible trustworthy government would ever say we won’t put up taxes to win votes (when you I and they know that’s a promise which is unkeepable), and if they do, they are held to account.
 
Many in here complained it didn’t go far enough at the time despite the eye watering costs to us as a nation so you can only imagine the black hole had they done at the time.

I’m watching the news now and we are being briefed that tax is going to rise and at the same time told that WASPI women might be getting £Billions, the 2 child cap will probably be lifted costing £Billions and frankly it smacks of desperation from a cabinet who will do anything to keep the PLP on board over the coming months.

Nothing makes sense right now.
My point is simply, you cannot get Governments to be legally accountable for Manifesto content as one poster was advocating.
 
I work in engineering consultancy. We typically take on around 100 grads a year. This year it’s less than 50 across a business which employs over 7000 people in the UK. Many similar large private businesses are reassessing their complete recruitment strategy for junior
How are we going to select these paragons of business virtue to look after our interests?
1) I would cut the house of commons by about 30 or 40%. Far too many MPs many of whom are shite.
2) Increase MP pay 200k a year. But your staff is chosen for you. No hiring your son or Mistress.
3) A supra-majority of both parties lab/con are made at the start of parliament identify 3-4 major projects. 10 year plan in the national interest. No one is allowed to break it, reverse it their responsibility is to oversee. Projects would be ambitious, lowest energy cost in Europe, lowest child poverty rate, lower food cost etc.
4) house of Lords reduce that by 50%
5) Greater transparency of the civil service. Followed by the recognition of those with real expertise. That stops fuck ups like sacking Tom Scholar.
6) Post career consultancy career allowed, encouraged but above X amount state takes 50%. Also that needs greater transparency and monitoring.
 
After 100s of pages about tax rises or not, I've yet to have an answer ( and I've asked it a few times in different ways) on which groups if any, should pay a bit more, and if the answer is none, which groups should suffer as a result of the inevitable cuts to public services and benefits.

For the record, I'm happy to pay a couple of p extra on income tax ( well, not happy but you know what I mean), VAT on private medical insurance, prescriptions till I reach state retirement age(presently free at 60-why?).
Those earning above £30,000(yes I am one:-)) with increments increasing the more you earn, the self employed, large corporations.
 
1) I would cut the house of commons by about 30 or 40%. Far too many MPs many of whom are shite.
2) Increase MP pay 200k a year. But your staff is chosen for you. No hiring your son or Mistress.
3) A supra-majority of both parties lab/con are made at the start of parliament identify 3-4 major projects. 10 year plan in the national interest. No one is allowed to break it, reverse it their responsibility is to oversee. Projects would be ambitious, lowest energy cost in Europe, lowest child poverty rate, lower food cost etc.
4) house of Lords reduce that by 50%
5) Greater transparency of the civil service. Followed by the recognition of those with real expertise. That stops fuck ups like sacking Tom Scholar.
6) Post career consultancy career allowed, encouraged but above X amount state takes 50%. Also that needs greater transparency and monitoring.
Fuck paying em more.
 
The UK Press

1/ year ago " UK birth rate is too low - OMG people need to breed - this only leads to a need for increased migration if we are to maintain or grow our economy""
2/ Labour considering removing 2 child cap on child benefits - " Yaa boo sucks we can't afford it and it just encourages people (the peasants) to breed.
3/ for several years " WASPI Women are being discriminated against and its unfair"
4/ Labour looking again at compensation for WASPI Women " the country can't afford it "

Now do people see how the UK Press works?
 
You are thinking in line with current thinking. The point is that no credible trustworthy government would ever say we won’t put up taxes to win votes (when you I and they know that’s a promise which is unkeepable), and if they do, they are held to account.
Yet some on here would have trusted a party saying they'd cut tax with no means of paying for tax cuts. (And have already "broken" that unrealistic promise - so presumably lied to the electorate about doing it...)
 
Yet some on here would have trusted a party saying they'd cut tax with no means of paying for tax cuts. (And have already "broken" that unrealistic promise - so presumably lied to the electorate about doing it...)
Forget about yesterday, where are we today and what do we have to pay.

In order to support a decent society, we all have to pay. After numerous global issues, we now need to decide if we leave the burden on our childeren and grandchildren.
 
After 100s of pages about tax rises or not, I've yet to have an answer ( and I've asked it a few times in different ways) on which groups if any, should pay a bit more, and if the answer is none, which groups should suffer as a result of the inevitable cuts to public services and benefits.

For the record, I'm happy to pay a couple of p extra on income tax ( well, not happy but you know what I mean), VAT on private medical insurance, prescriptions till I reach state retirement age(presently free at 60-why?).
Neoliberalism hasn't worked. It's been 45 years of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

The original thinking was give huge tax cuts to the wealthy, they spend their money, and the wealth filters down.

The opposite has happened. The rich have spent their money on assets, and their increasing wealth has been used to outbid rising numbers of ordinary people from asset ownership.

Until that it is accepted by the majority of people, which will be very difficult to achieve because those that benefit from neolibral policies own the legacy media, social media, right wing politicians with their donations, and the think tanks that produce the bullshit analysis of statistics the politicians they own repeat in public, nothing is going to change. They basically control what people think.

The thing is, as soon as anyone says we have to tax wealth, the stock reply is 'why do you want to punish the rich?' Of course, that's going to be the response from those that own the media and the people they pay to support their position.

I would say the rich have been punishing the poor for centuries, and what we have enjoyed with the benefits of the welfare state over the last 80 years or so, which has always been opposed by the wealthy, isn't normal.

Living in abject poverty has been the norm for most people, and we are descending back into that with current fiscal policies.

Tax wealth. We did it between 1945 until the late 70's, when we had governments that provided services that worked.
 

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