The Labour Party

Her gob on a stick act will go ballistic, but if her CLP think she is doing a bad job and get rid of her then tough shit, its their prerogative.
She genuinely believes her majority went up because of standing up to Corbyn.
 
Labour supporters often talk about the LibDems having the audacity to campaign to try and gain seats, those cheeky bastards, they accuse them of helping put the Tories in power at the next GE, but the biggest detriment to Labour is the infighting and the metaphorical lynching of MP’s that dare challenge the leadership.

For someone like me who wants to vote Labour, who likes a lot of the policies, it’s incredibly off putting to see Phillips get chased out, as the likes of Berger have.

Labour should be a broad church of ideas and not just a home for socialists. It’ll never win if it is.

Corbyn shouldn’t be allowing his ardent followers to attack MP’s, whilst saying nothing. He should defend his MP’s, defend their right to criticise him and play the long game, by getting them onside by talking to them and offering bridges.
 
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Corbyn shouldn’t be allowing his ardent followers to attack MP’s, whilst saying nothing. He should defend his MP’s, defend their right to criticise him and play the long game, by getting them onside by talking to them and offering bridges.[/QUOTE]

And if those MPs threaten to knife him in the front, he should them cake should he.

The sooner the CLPs get rid of the Blairites the better.
 
[QUOTE="Ban-jani, post: 12111721, member: 59081"
Corbyn shouldn’t be allowing his ardent followers to attack MP’s, whilst saying nothing. He should defend his MP’s, defend their right to criticise him and play the long game, by getting them onside by talking to them and offering bridges.

And if those MPs threaten to knife him in the front, he should them cake should he.

The sooner the CLPs get rid of the Blairites the better.[/QUOTE]

You know full well, whilst she should have ignored the interviewers “knife” aspect of the question, as it was worded badly, that she meant if she had a problem she wouldn’t scheme behind his back, she’d do/say what she was going to directly to him.

It was a poorly phrased comment but she meant she’d be honest.

I do add Phillips and others into my argument that they need to be better and not create divisions themselves. It is up to Corbyn to lead the party and create the overall environment in which the divisions are healed though.

Driving out Blairites won’t help the party. Labour needs to appeal to everything from Tony Blair to Tony Benn to win a majority and transform the country into a fairer society.

I know your political position and admire your firmness in to sticking with it but unfortunately the country doesn’t agree with it, especially England.

Every time someone says something negative about the other side, it helps the government.
 
And if those MPs threaten to knife him in the front, he should them cake should he.

The sooner the CLPs get rid of the Blairites the better.

You know full well, whilst she should have ignored the interviewers “knife” aspect of the question, as it was worded badly, that she meant if she had a problem she wouldn’t scheme behind his back, she’d do/say what she was going to directly to him.

It was a poorly phrased comment but she meant she’d be honest.

I do add Phillips and others into my argument that they need to be better and not create divisions themselves. It is up to Corbyn to lead the party and create the overall environment in which the divisions are healed though.

Driving out Blairites won’t help the party. Labour needs to appeal to everything from Tony Blair to Tony Benn to win a majority and transform the country into a fairer society.

I know your political position and admire your firmness in to sticking with it but unfortunately the country doesn’t agree with it, especially England.

Every time someone says something negative about the other side, it helps the government.[/QUOTE]

Driving out the Blairites is exactly what the party needs. Labour is a Socialist party not a neo-liberal fan club.
 
You know full well, whilst she should have ignored the interviewers “knife” aspect of the question, as it was worded badly, that she meant if she had a problem she wouldn’t scheme behind his back, she’d do/say what she was going to directly to him.

It was a poorly phrased comment but she meant she’d be honest.

I do add Phillips and others into my argument that they need to be better and not create divisions themselves. It is up to Corbyn to lead the party and create the overall environment in which the divisions are healed though.

Driving out Blairites won’t help the party. Labour needs to appeal to everything from Tony Blair to Tony Benn to win a majority and transform the country into a fairer society.

I know your political position and admire your firmness in to sticking with it but unfortunately the country doesn’t agree with it, especially England.

Every time someone says something negative about the other side, it helps the government.

Driving out the Blairites is exactly what the party needs. Labour is a Socialist party not a neo-liberal fan club.[/QUOTE]

Well then it’ll die.
 
Driving out the Blairites is exactly what the party needs. Labour is a Socialist party not a neo-liberal fan club.

Well if you want Labour to be like the Liberals then, a once major force in UK politics, now very much on the sidelines then please carry on.

The country has moved on from the donkey jackets, miners and mass strikes. Labour is faced with a stark choice: Also move on, or wither and die. Blair got this, and won 3 GE's. Other's haven't got it, and where has that left them?

It must be painful coming to terms with the fact that there's 65m people in this country and the vast majority of them don't want want a Corbyn-led Labour government is selling. And for many years now, the hard left have been in denial over it. Will they EVER come to terms with it, or forever be a weak and feeble opposition in decline? You decide.
 
Phillips isn't a blairite.

She's her own promotional brand.

Seduced by Murdoch and the celebrity aspects of politics since her election. It's not momentum loonies trying to oust her it's middle of the road labour Party members who've never seen her attend local CLP meetings and only appear at demos to speak to the media, get her photo taken then fucks off for "parliamentary matters". One of those was a party held by Rupert Murdoch. She then claims her increased majority was off the back of her constituency work!
 
Was watching the match last night with three blue mates, age range 55-70, all four of us are lost Labour voters, we had a small chat and the one common subject was the lack of trust in Corbyn and his Shadow Cabinet. Labour will probably only win when they get rid of Jezzer and co, they are almost unelectable but by promising a lot (like University fees being scrapped) to the young and impressionable they may get very close. It’s years of heartache, JC is the firewall the Conservatives need to keep them in Office.
Really good post - that is you 4 and quite a few others on here - if this forum is typical of the UK populace it just proves that The LP need to get us back into the camp otherwise the support of all the 'purists' will not be comfort when they are analysing the reasons for a really more election outcome in 2020
 
Well if you want Labour to be like the Liberals then, a once major force in UK politics, now very much on the sidelines then please carry on.

The country has moved on from the donkey jackets, miners and mass strikes. Labour is faced with a stark choice: Also move on, or wither and die. Blair got this, and won 3 GE's. Other's haven't got it, and where has that left them?

It must be painful coming to terms with the fact that there's 65m people in this country and the vast majority of them don't want want a Corbyn-led Labour government is selling. And for many years now, the hard left have been in denial over it. Will they EVER come to terms with it, or forever be a weak and feeble opposition in decline? You decide.
Blair won three elections without the donkey jackets and the miners, so can Labour again.

The choice we face is being a party of the neo-liberal metropolitans or a Socialist party of the working classes.

We have to stop buying into the failed narrative that only the neo-liberal side can win, it is bollox, Blair lost the party millions of voters and we can win them back by being a party true to itself and true to its Socialist ideals and principles.
 
Really good post - that is you 4 and quite a few others on here - if this forum is typical of the UK populace it just proves that The LP need to get us back into the camp otherwise the support of all the 'purists' will not be comfort when they are analysing the reasons for a really more election outcome in 2020
Which Labour party ideals are wrong?

What policies do you think the Labour party should pursue?
 
It is the largest political party in terms of membership in Europe.

Under Corbyn it has tripled the membership, how is that dying out?


Means nothing how many members you have. How many votes you get that counts.
 
Labour supporters often talk about the LibDems having the audacity to campaign to try and gain seats, those cheeky bastards, they accuse them of helping put the Tories in power at the next GE, but the biggest detriment to Labour is the infighting and the metaphorical lynching of MP’s that dare challenge the leadership.

For someone like me who wants to vote Labour, who likes a lot of the policies, it’s incredibly off putting to see Phillips get chased out, as the likes of Berger have.

Labour should be a broad church of ideas and not just a home for socialists. It’ll never win if it is.

Corbyn shouldn’t be allowing his ardent followers to attack MP’s, whilst saying nothing. He should defend his MP’s, defend their right to criticise him and play the long game, by getting them onside by talking to them and offering bridges.


The reason and this is the main reason with members, not the cranks on twitter and other social media platforms that these MPs are disliked is that the likes of Phillips is a gobshite, and hogs media attention before constituency duty.

I ain't arsed if she hates jezza as leader a lot of the PLP do, however it was the constant appearances on telly to criticise the party or be sketchy on her support for policy.
Admitedly after owen smiths failed leadership bid she has stepped back and focused more on single issues, but she still has a poor record on attending surgery.
Berger, I have been at conference and meeting of affiliates and she is quite vacant when it comes to political nounce and was a parachute candidate that the clp had forced upon themin the first place so never truly accepted.

I don't care if MPs on any side want to disagree with their respective leaders, that is democracy, however do your duty at a constituency and there are some that never even visit.
My MP Azfal Khan is in the constituency weekly.or fortnightly and attends many events aranged, I must admit I see Graham Stringer at Harpurhaley many a time in the month at north city library doung surgeries.

Yet you have people.like Phillips who sends her PPS to surgery anf Jo Swinson who apparently has visited her constituency 3 times in the last year.
 
Means nothing how many members you have. How many votes you get that counts.

Not really actually, the con got 758,224 more votes than labour than last time yet returned 98 more seats, it is not votes, but seats that count FPT system depends on seats rather than votes.

Even with Scotland lost to labour they could still realistically win a minor majority if they got the seats in the england and wales
 
I don't care if MPs on any side want to disagree with their respective leaders, that is democracy, however do your duty at a constituency and there are some that never even visit.
My MP Azfal Khan is in the constituency weekly.or fortnightly and attends many events aranged, I must admit I see Graham Stringer at Harpurhaley many a time in the month at north city library doung surgeries.

Yet you have people.like Phillips who sends her PPS to surgery anf Jo Swinson who apparently has visited her constituency 3 times in the last year.

People seem to forget how important it is that your local MP makes sure you have access to them. My local MP is a Tory and I have visited her surgery and she was polite and genuine and listened to my concerns. She followed it up and I got an answer from the Minster of state by personal letter.

That direct contact is so important in our Parliamentary system and any MP who treats their constituents with such disrespect deserves to be deselected.
 
Really good post - that is you 4 and quite a few others on here - if this forum is typical of the UK populace it just proves that The LP need to get us back into the camp otherwise the support of all the 'purists' will not be comfort when they are analysing the reasons for a really more election outcome in 2020

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Driving out the Blairites is exactly what the party needs. Labour is a Socialist party not a neo-liberal fan club.

Well then it’ll die.[/QUOTE]

Corbyns labour pArty is way too left of centre to win any general election
Blair appealed to the left and centre
All labour are doing now is saying the things that appeal to people who are already labour members and voters

They have zero appeal to the people who they need to win an election

People won’t vote for Corbyn Abbott etc running the country
Would have loved Andy burnham myself
 
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Well then it’ll die.

Corbyns labour pArty is way too left of centre to win any general election
Blair appealed to the left and centre
All labour are doing now is saying the things that appeal to people who are already labour members and voters

They have zero appeal to the people who they need to win an election

People won’t vote for Corbyn Abbott etc running the country
Would have loved Andy burnham myself[/QUOTE]

I think burnham will make a play for it in the next year and would win an election. He appeals to a much broader base but is still very left wing so would be palatable to the unions that control labour.
 
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Well then it’ll die.

Corbyns labour pArty is way too left of centre to win any general election
Blair appealed to the left and centre
All labour are doing now is saying the things that appeal to people who are already labour members and voters

They have zero appeal to the people who they need to win an election

People won’t vote for Corbyn Abbott etc running the country
Would have loved Andy burnham myself[/QUOTE]


Yet consitenly since the policies of the last 3 years have been polled they have gotten support in the 80-90% range from the public.

But then when are labour policies really discussed bar brexit on the news channels?

All you get is a focus on Corbyn and clickbait journalism.

Politics is failing in this country because of an american style shift to personality rather than policy and party and also the 24hr rolling news need for stories that engage the public lile a soap opera.

Remove Jeremy and bring in a "moderate" will make no difference,if the press don't get what or who they want, that Labour leader will be in for negative press.

And this has happened to the tories too in one pr two ocassion.
 

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