The Labour Party

[BobKowalski]

A vote here an a vote there, every little helps.

I struggle to call this sorry affair ‘helping’.

Although, it does take some heat off the actual Prime Minster appearing on a cult conspiracy YouTube Channel which is home to some of the guff being spouted by the offending Labour candidate.

Which is kind of ironic I guess.

 

[BobKowalski]

You think he handled it well then?

I suppose it’s only an issue if you actually take issue with what Ali said in the first place. If you believe him, like a lot of people on here do, it’s probably not something you care about.

Labour candidate turns out be a conspiracy nut. Labour dumps said nut 48 hours later.

Beyond that my interest is negligible.

 

[blueinsa]

Thread is full of Andy Tate’s screaming “don’t care” whilst posting nothing but whataboutery.

 

[BobKowalski]

Thread is full of Andy Tate’s screaming “don’t care” whilst posting nothing but whataboutery.

A bit harsh on yourself. Do you want to talk about it? I’m happy to listen.

 

[Postman Pep]

With Neil Coyle still being a Labour Party member, probably best not to mention sex pests or racism.

Still has the Labour whip more to the point. Amazing what you can get away with if your one of the lads.

 

[M18CTID]

To be honest, I don't think this is a great look for Labour and Starmer and I'm saying that as someone who will definitely be voting Labour at the next election. I'd be interested to know how much Starmer was aware of Ali's other comments that are now out in the public domain. On the face of it, Starmer has done a good job of ridding the party of a lot of the anti-Semitism that blighted Corbyn's leadership but this shows that AS still exists in certain quarters. It's all a bit odd because not that long ago Starmer was coming under fire from many within his own party for what what they believed was him pandering to Israel's action in Gaza, yet here is arguably pandering (at first anyway) to someone who's been peddling anti-Israel/anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

 

[metalblue]

Labour candidate turns out be a conspiracy nut. Labour dumps said nut 48 hours later.

Beyond that my interest is negligible.

After defending said nut. Until some mysterious new evidence came to light yesterday.

So to recap…Labour were happy with what said nut had originally said but once they allege said nut repeated elsewhere what said nut had previously said, and something Labour were happy with as they said said nut had said sorry…but transpires the fact said nut had said it more than once was deemed a bridge too far. Apparently saying something multiple times and then changing your mind is only something Sir Keir can do…

 

[BobKowalski]

After defending said nut. Until some mysterious new evidence came to light yesterday.

So to recap…Labour were happy with what said nut had originally said but once they allege said nut repeated elsewhere what said nut had previously said, and something Labour were happy with as they said said nut had said sorry…but transpires the fact said nut had said it more than once was deemed a bridge too far. Apparently saying something multiple times and then changing your mind is only something Sir Keir can do…

Yes. They gave him an initial pass. Found out he had more form for this shit then fucked him off.

I appreciate you agreeing with me. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy

 

[Vic]

Everything is the daily mails fault even if in some cases they are reporting the truth.

A very perceptive summary that should be in the "What has the UK become?" thread.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

I don’t trust Labour any more than I trust the Tories, they seem to dither and then do a U-turn as soon as they find out it was a bad idea or in the latest case, he should have been withdrawn in the first place. The people of Rochdale might vote him in but this was sheer incompetence by Starmer. I fear we will be no better off until we get some proper leaders in this country

 

[Postman Pep]

Labour candidate turns out be a conspiracy nut. Labour dumps said nut 48 hours later.

Beyond that my interest is negligible.

So just an open and shut case of Labour acting decisively .... zero tolerance and all that?

Only if you ignore the bit in the middle where various Labour figures took to the airwaves and SM calling it a lapse in judgement and stressing the important bit is that he has apologised. Or Nandy out campaigning with him yesterday unsurprisingly seized upon by the Mail and other bad faith actors as evidence that AS is still 'rife'.

Yes. They gave him an initial pass. Saw which way the wind was blowing then fucked him off.

Fixed that bit for you ;-)

 

[BobKowalski]

So just an open and shut case of Labour acting decisively .... zero tolerance and all that?

Only if you ignore the bit in the middle where various Labour figures took to the airwaves and SM calling it a lapse in judgement and stressing the important bit is that he has apologised. Or Nandy out campaigning with him yesterday unsurprisingly seized upon by the Mail and other bad faith actors as evidence that AS is still 'rife'.

Fixed that bit for you ;-)

In order.

No. Nothing is open and shut. Most things are panic, try and muddle through with a side order of hoping for the best and then act.

I didn’t. See bit about giving the guy an initial pass.

Fix away. All political parties know when to bend with the wind - or should do.

 

[metalblue]

Yes. They gave him an initial pass. Found out he had more form for this shit then fucked him off.

I appreciate you agreeing with me. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy

Us tories must stick together

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[Vic]

I struggle to call this sorry affair ‘helping’.

Although, it does take some heat off the actual Prime Minster appearing on a cult conspiracy YouTube Channel which is home to some of the guff being spouted by the offending Labour candidate.

Which is kind of ironic I guess.

Which cult conspiracy YouTube channel? There are so many.

 

[Blue and true]

They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites. He said, she she said from the lot of them.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites. He said, she she said from the lot of them.

Whilst partially true, there’s a 2340 day difference in time taken to act.

We shall see if Labour put forward his wife for Rochdale at the GE.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Be interesting to see who was in attendance when Ali was making his comments, and the explanation as to why no one challenged his views or indeed if any complaints were made about him.

I’m sure Labour have nothing to hide here - the comments were made at a Labour Party meeting after all - so presumably they’ll only be too happy to make the information available.

 

[Blue and true]

Whilst partially true, there’s a 2340 day difference in time taken to act.

We shall see if Labour put forward his wife for Rochdale at the GE.

For clarity, I meant they're all as bad as each other; both parties on both ends of the spectrum.

I'm just done with the Tories endemic shittiness and lack of integrity, and hope labour will be slightly better (which admittedly isn't going to take much).

 

[BrianW]

All political parties are coalitions, and that is why they have nappers in them. You only have to look at Christopher Chope for the Tories. In our (very) diverse society, it's almost inevitable. You exercise party discipline, but there is always someone who says stuff you don't want them to say.

Conspiracy theories? They abound in our world and people from all parts of the political spectrum believe in them. It's just that some seem to be 'acceptable.' People get taken in with them all the time. They are 99% complete bollocks, and this particular one is 100%.

The Labour Party has not covered itself in glory here. No one is saying they have. But don't kid yourself that a lot of people, not just Muslims, are, at a minimum, 'concerned' about what is going on in Gaza. Some are fucking angry. Some hate Jews. Most don't. Lumping everyone who has concerns about Gaza together as some sort of antisemitic Nazi is a very dangerous tactic. Not least because some of those with concerns are Jews themselves. This outburst, ridiculous and offensive as it may be, is but a symptom of that underlying concern. Which, I have to say, the top politicians are not addressing at all.