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inbetween said:
They are morons and have shown they will never stand up for the interests of the country. Do they not ever stand and think about the people put at risk by the disclosure of classified information?

Whistleblowers should be allowed but the law allows for that within the confines of that classified information. Releasing or obtaining it for release to the public is not whistleblowing, it is illegally putting the people and the thing itself involved at risk.

He has potentially committed a crime both here and in the US so he has to stand trial for them.
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Agree, there is an argument to be made for whistle-blowing and there are some things that came to light that needed to. But, that does not excuse the criminality. The manner in which it was dumped wholesale is not whistle-blowing and we are talking about years of releasing stolen data where only very small portions can be said to have had any public interest merit. The rest was just sabotage or intended to embarrass specific people, namely the US Govt / Democrat Politicians / their allies - little of anything else. What he did in the run up to the US election had no journalistic merit - it was just a dump of emails, there were no great revelations only the private thoughts and arguments of prominent democratic staff. Exposing those emails went a long way to swing the election. There is no merit in that. If the same was done to Corbyn and Abbot would they take the same view? The equivalent is the release of emails of Labour HQ staff discussing JC's toxicity and lack of appeal getting released - you can guarantee they exist - would he justify that as whistle-blowing?
 
Gaudion M said:
I think Corbyn and Abbot are getting themselves on the wrong end of this argument. Playing to their narrow base.

Assange over steps the mark as he is complicit in the theft of data, he solicits stolen data or acts as a conduit for data stolen by others including Russian hackers. These are criminal acts and journalism is not a pass to get away with such criminality. If Russia offers you stolen data from the US government the responsible thing to do is to report that to intelligence services not dump it wholesale on the internet inclusive of personal details. That is sabotage not journalism. The fact it was very clearly co-ordinated with the Russian support of the Trump campaign is a side issue but one which should set alarm bells ringing.

There are clearly questions he needs to answer and he should make his defense in court. JC and Diane Abbot would do well to stay out of this.
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I agree with Corbyn Abbot on this is more to do with the US than Assage himself and trying to highlight the fact that the most rogue state in this world is the US. On Corbyn he does have a habit of being on the right side of history which he has done on so many times in the past such as the Good Friday agreement, war in Iraq plus many more.
 
Mike D said:
I agree with Corbyn Abbot on this is more to do with the US than Assage himself and trying to highlight the fact that the most rogue state in this world is the US. On Corbyn he does have a habit of being on the right side of history which he has done on so many times in the past such as the Good Friday agreement, war in Iraq plus many more.
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Sorry what part did he play in good Friday agreement?
 
ganganvince said:
Sorry what part did he play in good Friday agreement?
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Was about to ask the same thing.

As to being on the right side of the argument with respect to Iraq, well even a stopped clock is right twice a day. He's opposed every military action everywhere, so was bound to get it right sooner or later. If Corbyn had has his way, we'd have no military capability at all.
 
Mike D said:
Maybe Jess Phillips needs to read things before she opened her stupid mouth. Corbyn said he opposes the extradition to US for exposing US war crimes nothing. Oh and the rape case has been dropped so why mention its innocent until proven guilty in this country my dear!!
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The Swedish prosecutor is looking at reopening the case. I think it was only 'dropped' so the statue of limitation didn't expire given he was hiding and unable to be arrested
 
Chippy_boy said:
Was about to ask the same thing.

As to being on the right side of the argument with respect to Iraq, well even a stopped clock is right twice a day. He's opposed every military action everywhere, so was bound to get it right sooner or later. If Corbyn had has his way, we'd have no military capability at all.
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He opposed the Kosovo/Serbian war as he has opposed every war. He keeps quiet about Serbia. How many more Muslims would have died if Nato didn't step in and bomb the Serb army who were engaged in the genocide against the Muslim population? That action led to the leaders of the Serb army all ultimately on trial and found guilty of war crimes.

So yes he was right about Iraq but he was wrong about Serbia.
 
Mike D said:
As the tories and far right would have you believe but a he lay the foundations for the agreement with his discussions with Sein Fein
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You might find this interesting.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/0...r-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Personally, although Blair and perhaps Reynolds or Bruton, Ahern (Only Taoiseach from June 1997) get rightful praise for their parts in getting the GFA through, really for me the one that got Sinn Fein/IRA and Unionists talking was John Hume of the SDLP. The work that man did for NI. Then to be sidelined along with the UUP after the elections only for the DUP and Sinn Fein, both extremes of the political system to take over and squeeze out the centrist parties.
John Hume more than anyone else deserves praise for selflessness in seeking a solution to the carnage.

One thing for sure although she did get the Anglo-Irish agreement started, you would never have what you have today in NI, if you were relying on Thatcher and Haughey.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
You might find this interesting.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/0...r-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Personally, although Blair and perhaps Reynolds or Burton, Ahern (Only Taoiseach from June 1997) get rightful praise for their parts in getting the GFA through, really for me the one that got Sinn Fein/IRA and Unionists talking was John Hume of the SDLP. The work that man did for NI. Then to be sidelined along with the UUP after the elections only for the DUP and Sinn Fein, both extremes of the political system to take over and squeeze out the centrist parties.
John Hume more than anyone else deserves praise for selflessness in seeking a solution to the carnage.

One thing for sure although she did get the Anglo-Irish agreement started, you would never have what you have today in NI, if you were relying on Thatcher and Haughey.
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Heresy that mate. Fumble, Len and (I think Mike_D) believe Corbyn walks on water. They won't have a bad word said about him. He's their "Neo" - their chosen one - to lift them from this Matrix neoliberal hell they've been living in for the past 50 years.

The fact he's an utter wanker is a tad inconvenient, admittedly, but he's all they've got so will have to do.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
You might find this interesting.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/0...r-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Personally, although Blair and perhaps Reynolds or Burton, Ahern (Only Taoiseach from June 1997) get rightful praise for their parts in getting the GFA through, really for me the one that got Sinn Fein/IRA and Unionists talking was John Hume of the SDLP. The work that man did for NI. Then to be sidelined along with the UUP after the elections only for the DUP and Sinn Fein, both extremes of the political system to take over and squeeze out the centrist parties.
John Hume more than anyone else deserves praise for selflessness in seeking a solution to the carnage.

One thing for sure although she did get the Anglo-Irish agreement started, you would never have what you have today in NI, if you were relying on Thatcher and Haughey.
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^^^ Hume rightly his share of the credit here, but seems to have been airbrushed out of the picture in the international recollection.
George Mitchell is another who deserves huge credit but seems to be overlooked.
 
Mike D said:
As the tories and far right would have you believe but a he lay the foundations for the agreement with his discussions with Sein Fein
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This is total and utter nonsense. I don't know how old you are, but Corbyn , at the time he was conducting his love
in with the IRA, was an obscure far left MP nobody outside of Islington had ever heard of, his meetings with them were
reported in short paragraphs in the press, quoting him as simply 'Jeremy Corbyn MP.' No in depth reports on his
'Discussions' were broadcast or published, as the opinions of some no mark MP were irrelevant.
Since the £3 quid a pop membership appears to have propelled him against all the odds into Labour leader, it's
now bandied about that he was somehow the principle driver of the GFA, which is simply ludicrous, revisionist
nonsense. I don't recall John Major utilising the brilliant strategist Jezza, or Blair hailing him as the broker of an
historic document, because he had rock all to do with it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This is total and utter nonsense. I don't know how old you are, but Corbyn , at the time he was conducting his love
in with the IRA, was an obscure far left MP nobody outside of Islington had ever heard of, his meetings with them were
reported in short paragraphs in the press, quoting him as simply 'Jeremy Corbyn MP.' No in depth reports on his
'Discussions' were broadcast or published, as the opinions of some no mark MP were irrelevant.
Since the £3 quid a pop membership appears to have propelled him against all the odds into Labour leader, it's
now bandied about that he was somehow the principle driver of the GFA, which is simply ludicrous, revisionist
nonsense. I don't recall John Major utilising the brilliant strategist Jezza, or Blair hailing him as the broker of an
historic document, because he had rock all to do with it.
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More politely put than I would have managed!
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This is total and utter nonsense. I don't know how old you are, but Corbyn , at the time he was conducting his love
in with the IRA, was an obscure far left MP nobody outside of Islington had ever heard of, his meetings with them were
reported in short paragraphs in the press, quoting him as simply 'Jeremy Corbyn MP.' No in depth reports on his
'Discussions' were broadcast or published, as the opinions of some no mark MP were irrelevant.
Since the £3 quid a pop membership appears to have propelled him against all the odds into Labour leader, it's
now bandied about that he was somehow the principle driver of the GFA, which is simply ludicrous, revisionist
nonsense. I don't recall John Major utilising the brilliant strategist Jezza, or Blair hailing him as the broker of an
historic document, because he had rock all to do with it.
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Just because he wasn't some mouthpiece doesn't mean he didn't play an important role?

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discu...was-key-to-securing-the-good-friday-agreement
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This is total and utter nonsense. I don't know how old you are, but Corbyn , at the time he was conducting his love
in with the IRA, was an obscure far left MP nobody outside of Islington had ever heard of, his meetings with them were
reported in short paragraphs in the press, quoting him as simply 'Jeremy Corbyn MP.' No in depth reports on his
'Discussions' were broadcast or published, as the opinions of some no mark MP were irrelevant.
Since the £3 quid a pop membership appears to have propelled him against all the odds into Labour leader, it's
now bandied about that he was somehow the principle driver of the GFA, which is simply ludicrous, revisionist
nonsense. I don't recall John Major utilising the brilliant strategist Jezza, or Blair hailing him as the broker of an
historic document, because he had rock all to do with it.
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Spot on
 
Mo Mowlam.
I'd forgotten her part to be fair. But I think her stint as Northern Ireland Secretary was as important to the eventual GFA as anyone else's contribution.
She definitely brought a humanity to the role, that perhaps the nationalist side were not accustomed to seeing from the UK Government.
 
Postman Pep said:
The fact that Paisley spoke highly of him tells you all you need to know and blows the IRA sympathizer bolllocks out of the water.
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This is perhaps the first time in history that anyone has used an endorsement from Ian Paisley as being in any way positive or something they'd like to be associated with.

It's like saying Gary Glitter thought I was a good bloke.
 
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