The Labour Party

[urban genie]

I wasn’t far out when I said you were under 35 :-)

Only a decade mind :-)

 

[urban genie]

Wasn't Jezzer on the left when he consistently voted against his own party in government? How many times was it? I heard it was t'other side o' five hundred?

One man does not make the party

 

[BobKowalski]

No, you've outed yourself as either not reading properly or perhaps not thinking things through.

Instead of your stupid line above, what I actually said was,

"if someone is very intelligent and happens through their intelligence, to do well for themselves and make a lot of money, there seems to be a good chance that their kids will have higher than average intelligence as well."

1. There is an undeniable correlation between intelligent parents and intelligent children. Partly genetic, partly down to their environment, their peers and how much time and effort the parents invest in their kids, it matters not. The correlation is undeniable.
2. There is also an undeniable correlation between levels of intelligence and levels of income.
3. There is also therefore a correlation between levels of income of parents and levels of intelligence of their kids.

I'm assuming you do know what correlation means? It does not mean every parent and every child. It means on balance, more likely etc.

There might be all sorts of reasons why rich kids get the top jobs other than how intelligent they are per se. But that is not the point, and whether you accept the above or not is really down to whether or not you accept reality.

The genetic correlation for intelligence is mostly down the the mother so rich guy marrying blonde bimbo isn’t a good match.

Environment is key. Nourishment is also key. So you are half way to identifying the problem. The solution is to ensure we give as many children the right environment to thrive rather then Govt putting its hand on the scales to benefit those already with an advantage. Favouring a small elite to perpetuate a ruling class is not healthy for any democracy which the current shitshow is amply demonstrating.

 

[urban genie]

Tense is the watchword from the Brighton Conference according to Skynews. Widespread whisperings in the bars about what a post Jezzer party should look like and significant unease expressed by many MPs about McDonnell's claim he would have rescued Thomas Cook.

Skynews are not gonna say it is all sunshine and roses tbf, that wouldn't be newsworthy.

As I said this conference is probably the most significant of recent as GE is coming and if labour lose Jezzas time is up, so to those who have moved the party away from neo-liberal right minded thinking any resolutions need passing this time just in case the likes or smith, creasey and the rest wrestle back the leadership

 

[hammocity]

Only a decade mind :-)

Thought you said you were a child of the 80’s!

 

[Rascal]

What exactly is not being reciprocated? What is it you did when Blair was leader which you believe the right of the Labour party are not doing in return?

Last night you stated you were no longer engaging with my posts.

For clarity, I will be reciprocating. The reasons have been posted earlier in the thread.

 

[Rascal]

Skynews are not gonna say it is all sunshine and roses tbf, that wouldn't be newsworthy.

As I said this conference is probably the most significant of recent as GE is coming and if labour lose Jezzas time is up, so to those who have moved the party away from neo-liberal right minded thinking any resolutions need passing this time just in case the likes or smith, creasey and the rest wrestle back the leadership

I agree, this is THE big fight and if we on the left of the party lose out to the Blairite's then I will be joining the CPGB as we will have been silenced for a generation and as I am already an old fucker, what I have always wanted for our country will not happen in my lifetime.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The genetic correlation for intelligence is mostly down the the mother so rich guy marrying blonde bimbo isn’t a good match.

Environment is key. Nourishment is also key. So you are half way to identifying the problem. The solution is to ensure we give as many children the right environment to thrive rather then Govt putting its hand on the scales to benefit those already with an advantage.

How is it doing that exactly?

Tax rebates on private school fees? Free school meals for the posh? I hadn't spotted those measures.

Not that either of those would "favour" the rich either. If the government PAID the private school fees, you'd have a point. They don't.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Last night you stated you were no longer engaging with my posts.

For clarity, I will be reciprocating. The reasons have been posted earlier in the thread.

Thanks for reminding me - I had forgotten, it was late when I posted. So again, goodbye. See you on the match threads perhaps.

 

[Rascal]

Thanks for reminding me - I had forgotten, it was late when I posted. So again, goodbye. See you on the match threads perhaps.

Happy to remind you that you prefer not to engage in debate with others of a different political persuasion. You wont see me on match threads, I am at the match.

Cheers.

 

[urban genie]

Thought you said you were a child of the 80’s!

Correct I was a child in the 80s and some of the 70s

 

[BobKowalski]

How is it doing that exactly?

Tax rebates on private school fees? Free school meals for the posh? I hadn't spotted those measures.

Not that either of those would "favour" the rich either. If the government PAID the private school fees, you'd have a point. They don't.

In the words of firebrand revolutionary *checks notes* Michael Gove private schools are ‘welfare junkies’ and slammed the ‘egregious state support for the already wealthy so that they can buy an advantage for their children’

https://www.tes.com/news/gove-private-schools-are-welfare-junkies

 

[Chippy_boy]

Happy to remind you that you prefer not to engage in debate with others of a different political persuasion. You wont see me on match threads, I am at the match.

Cheers.

I just don't see the point mate. I respect that you have completely different views to me on everything and I think you are pretty much 100% wrong on everything you say (with the odd exception here or there). You presumably think the same. Never the twain shall meet, so I resign myself that it is a waste of time me discussing things with you. I might as well talk to the cat, and I don't do that either.

 

[hammocity]

Correct I was a child in the 80s and some of the 70s

Ok, an old dyed in the wool Socialist then. Thatcher got elected on my 19th birthday, that wasn’t much of a present, however that night a load of us saw Hot Gossip in Manchester, that wasn’t too shabby to be honest for a 19 year old.

 

[Chippy_boy]

In the words of firebrand revolutionary *checks notes* Michael Gove private schools are ‘welfare junkies’ and slammed the ‘egregious state support for the already wealthy so that they can buy an advantage for their children’

https://www.tes.com/news/gove-private-schools-are-welfare-junkies

Sounds like he's as confused as you are. The rich pay for private schools, as well as paying for the state schools their kids don't go to. What you're advocating is they should pay even more. I have no problem with you having that point of view, but let's just be open about it rather than dress it up as the rich getting some kind of bankhander, which clearly they don't get.

 

[urban genie]

Ok, an old dyed in the wool Socialist then. Thatcher got elected on my 19th birthday, that wasn’t much of a present, however that night a load of us saw Hot Gossip in Manchester, that wasn’t too shabby to be honest for a 19 year old.

Why does that make me a dyed in the wool socialist?

I never knew there was a timeline of when you could be socialist or not and when you qualified as a proper one.

Your couple of comments on peoples opinion in relation to their age and how that decides the validity of that opinions is bizzare.

When I turned 19yrs john major was PM and I had grown up under thatchers twatishness

 

[BobKowalski]

Sounds like he's as confused as you are. The rich pay for private schools, as well as paying for the state schools their kids don't go to. What you're advocating is they should pay even more. I have no problem with you having that point of view, but let's just be open about it rather than dress it up as the rich getting some kind of bankhander, which clearly they don't get.

No one is confused. Gove is just detailing the system as it is, how it works and how it confers an advantage to the already wealthy. The State subsidises Private Schools. Private schools are a business and should operate under business rules and not get state subsidies. Or are you now in favour of state subsidies for businesses? Thomas Cook employees and shareholders will be glad of your support.

 

[cibaman]

Refreshing to see a senior politician respecting the rule of law. The Mail was arguing for PM Johnson to ignore the rule of law so let’s hope that ‘Marxist Revolutionary’ McDonnell doesn’t read that piece as it may give him ideas.

Yes it’s good that the law takes precedence over conference votes.

But I do think this issue highlights why the wider public are not supporting Labour in greater numbers. I’m sure most people would agree with a long term strategy of reducing the advantages of private education. I personally would have no problem with the removal of charitable status. It just seems that what when the current Labour Party grasps an issue like this they seem intent on taking it to the limits, far beyond where it would have public support.

Party conferences have a long tradition for voting for voting for daft, ill thought through motions which are then generally ignored by the leadership. But Labour are making such a big thing of them being a democratic party where policy is decided by the membership (except perhaps when the leader and his inner circle disagree) that you can never be sure that these decisions will be subject to a sanity test.

 

[Ban-jani]

I just don't see the point mate. I respect that you have completely different views to me on everything and I think you are pretty much 100% wrong on everything you say (with the odd exception here or there). You presumably think the same. Never the twain shall meet, so I resign myself that it is a waste of time me discussing things with you. I might as well talk to the cat, and I don't do that either.

Why, is that little **** a communist too?

 

[The perfect fumble]

As I often remind you, Blair never lost an election. Maybe we should try it again?

Lib Dems.