The Liverpool Thread

Liverpool last season: Mancini is borin' n' defensiv' n' you'll neva win the league.

Liverpool now: We can't thieve a fuckin' goal.

Meanwhile at the Etihad...

We're breaking scoring records.



A poster from here agreed with their assessment that on the back end of last season they'd compete with us this season.

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Something I don't understand with the dippers. They were bought out by this Henry yank and "supposedly" have no debt. He's not a billionaire doing it like our owner or Abramovich but a businessman who invests in clubs.

Surely he's going to want the purchase price (and profit) back at some point including what has been spent on players. At some point he's going to want his £300m, plus whatever else he's spent, back?

Anybody know what their accounts are like, especially without CL football now for a few years. One thing's for sure, I bet their players wages haven't gone down much, if at all, as their incoming wages probably are very close to their outgoing wages.
 
bluemoondays said:
Something I don't understand with the dippers. They were bought out by this Henry yank and "supposedly" have no debt. He's not a billionaire doing it like our owner or Abramovich but a businessman who invests in clubs.

Surely he's going to want the purchase price (and profit) back at some point including what has been spent on players. At some point he's going to want his £300m, plus whatever else he's spent, back?

Anybody know what their accounts are like, especially without CL football now for a few years. One thing's for sure, I bet their players wages haven't gone down much, if at all, as their incoming wages probably are very close to their outgoing wages.
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Henry admitted he didn't know anything about "soccer" when his group took them over but had heard that the PL was a global sports brand. Presumably saw dollar signs without realising that there weren't the same spending constraints & income levellers that big-time sport in the USA has.

I don't really know what their accounts will look like but I think their last ones showed a turnover of just over £180m (which included CL-related income that probably totalled about £40m). There was interest paid on that of about £20m which will have gone down considerably plus it included a pay-off for Benitez.

They've signed a new kit deal and it also doesn't include their Standard Chartered shirt sponsorship deal, which will probably make up for the loss of CL income. They've trimmed the wage bill I think but they've spent a lot of money so at best they'll break-even I imagine or report a loss in the region of £20-30m.
 
Re: Liverpool's transfer strategy

Jose Enrique (and perhaps Coates) was the only bit of good business they undertook.
 
Dogleash at it again! Klanfield, home of nothing but innocent victims.

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Kenny Dalglish fears fiery striker Craig Bellamy’s reputation is going before him.

The Reds boss is bemused over the incredible run of four bookings his Welsh signing has picked up in just 195 minutes on the pitch this month.

And even though he is understandably cautious of claiming there is a conspiracy against the player, Dalglish feels Bellamy has been harshly treated.

Each yellow card has been for unsporting behaviour or dissent, with most deemed to be harsh even by neutral observers.

The worst was a booking at Fulham when he was pushed in the face and did not respond... but still got cautioned. And there are fears within the club their player is being picked on.

“You would hate to believe there is an agenda against him from anyone, but Craig has been booked four times and he hasn’t deserved any of them,” said Dalglish.

“You would like to think if you had been unlucky four times, you would not be unlucky for a fifth. Mind you, you might have said that after the first two.

“One of the bookings was at Fulham when Clint Dempsey stuck his head straight in Craig’s face. When he was booked the other night there, we asked the ref why the wee man was booked and he said, ‘Craig knows’ – but he didn’t.

“And there was another against QPR when Joey Barton approached him. I don’t know why he has been booked but I haven’t
seen anything in any of them being reasonable.

“The other night, Antolin Alcaraz gave five free-kicks away with no yellow. If he is going to get five chances, does that mean everyone else is?’’

But Dalglish has been cheered up by news that Steven Gerrard is fit again.

Gerrard will play some part today and then against Newcastle in a festive double-header that will be crucial to their hopes of a top-four finish.

And the presence of their captain will be a big boost for the Merseyside club as they look to put the draining controversy of Luis Suarez’s race row behind them.
 
Skashion said:
Mario not unlucky then, was he not given two yellows because of his reputation? I can't recall Dalglish's vociferous defence of Balotelli on that occasion.
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Was thinking exactly the same thing. Far from defending him, Dalglish had the cheek to say that soft second yellow was Balotelli's own fault, implying that his reputation deserved it.

Earlier in the season, before all the Suarez business, I and another poster defended Dalglish and said we were pleased to see him back in the game. I always saw him as someone who was pretty dignified but recently he has made a right arse of himself. Some of his comments regarding Suarez in particular have been shocking and utterly delusional. He and Liverpool FC really should shut the fuck up and lie low for a while because they're just making themselves look ever more stupid with each passing comment.
 
I dont mind the red dipper fans that go to the games, have had plenty of times when we were shit and the journey home from either MR or Eastlands would have gave them plenty of oppertunity to gloat, but they felt the pain we were suffering and told us that one day we would be back (while probably not believing it especially not that we would have taken their place at the top table).
On another occassion on the way back to the birkenhead ferry we stopped off at a pub for three of us to have a piss, it was just after liverpool had been robbed by a dodgy decision against chelsea and they were not happy, walked through the bar and heard a couple of comments like "what the fuck is that?" came out of the bogs and went to buy a bottle or two of beer and was bought them for me by a pool fan who congratulated us on our win that day (though it was against the one true scum).
I have also walked through Lime Street on way to Maine Road when their scallys have been out and about waiting for rags travelling in the other direction and they have came over to us and had a chat.
Maybe some of these things might happen differently now we are serious challangers for the honours, but i think most of the match going fans appreciate what we have been through over the years and are nowhere near as jealous as their or our neighbours.
 
earnie1 said:
we'll see what they have got to say on the 3rd.
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They'll play as if in another cup final

They've become serial bottlers against lower placed clubs and game raising "heroes" against teams they believe are "their level".

As for all this crap about hitting the woodwork and how they'd be top of the league if they'd gone in. Hitting the woodwork is a bloody miss - doesn't matter if its 1 inch wide or 10 foot wide, it's still a miss.
 
PSmyth07 said:
Darren Bent? Lol.
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At some point it will dawn dalglish that if he fills his team with British mid-low table players, they might struggle to get back in the champs league. For now though, the longer he lives in his British is best time warp the better.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
PSmyth07 said:
Darren Bent? Lol.
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At some point it will dawn dalglish that if he fills his team with British mid-low table players, they might struggle to get back in the champs league. For now though, the longer he lives in his British is best time warp the better.
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It must be something that happens to managers at Blackburn as Hughes had very much the same problem.
 
Kenny Dalglish - Achieving the Impossible

Is it fair to say that Dalglish, since he returned to Liverpool, is doing when many thought could not be done and is making Ferguson, in comparison, look like a completely fair minded and honourable individual who in no way shirks responsibility for his own misfortunes.

Dalglish has been a complete and utter joke and (and I hate using this here, because, given his club, it is like a green light for every idiot on Earth to go Scouser bashing) is a prime example of the persecution complex/willingness to play the victim/uable to take personal responsibility culture that infest football and certain parts of society.

Still tonight he is giving interviews where he is spouting nonsense about not being about to say what he wants to say about Suarez. The only reason he 'can't' say what he wants to say is because either he or his club know it would be picked to pieces.

Even putting aside the Suarez stuff though, he cannot wait to absolve himself of responsibility for his shit results - with the mantra usually being that he has been cheated by someone or something. Or sometimes he is the victim of once in a lifetime luck for his opponents, he likes that one. But a lifetime must last four weeks for it to be true. Ferguson was the master of this buck passing, but at least he gets results. Hughes is probably the most recent valid comparison but Dalglish is taking it to another level - method acting the part of the victim 24/7, willing to stoop to any level to stop people asking why he can't get the results for his team.

The man is a disgrace, in my view. Not only for the above but for the demeanour that he plays it with too. You get the impression that very few people have ever said no to him or told him a few home truths. It's the impression you get when former team mates talk of him, almost in awe and certainly apparent in the media, who dare not ever even slightly rile him with anything approaching a probing question, lest 'The King' get upset.

At least Roy Hodgson was getting similar results without spending the silly money and, more importantly, whilst being a man of class and dignity.

When will someone in the media have the bollocks to point out the truth about The King's New Clothes?
 
Re: Kenny Dalglish - Achieving the Impossible

Did anyone else listen to Lawrenson's comments about Dalglish's drinking habits on 5 Live just before kick off? Something along the lines of "he never used to drink but since he stopped playing he's the last man dragged out of the restaurant".

I wasnt sure whether he was saying that there was a problem, or just that for someone who had becopme more relaxed since stopping playing he'd become very uptight as a manager.

Either way it was very odd for a mate to say
 
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