the money stick we get beaten by

[Skashion]

Re: Success bought not earnt

Here's everything you need:

1) In 1931 they were saved from going out of business by a wealthy local man called James Gibson. He not only recruited Busby but paid for Old Trafford to be rebuilt after the war out of his own pocket.

2) In 1981 they, along with Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs blackmailed the Football League into stopping the sharing of gate receipts with visiting clubs, by threatening to set-up a breakaway league.

3) In 1992, the same clubs stuck two fingers up at the Football League by negotiating the set-up of the Premier League. That meant all TV money went to the PL rather than the 50% they previously got, with the rest being shared across the other three divisions.

4) As a founder member of the G14, they were involved in forcing UEFA to pay them for players on international duty, which obviously benefitted the big clubs. Once again, using a tactic from 1981, they threatened a breakaway European Super League.

5) The G14 pushed for more and more money from UEFA for the Champions League, including the infamous second group stage. This was to ensure that the big clubs got more gate receipts from guaranteed games. The TV companies however got them to drop it as it was a tV turn-off.

6) They've forced up ticket prices well beyond the rate of inflation. They now pull in about £4m per game, far more than anyone else (bar Arsenal)

7) They've prostituted themselves to every company possible, particularly in the Far East, who'll pay them a few million quid. They have an "Official Noodle Partner" and an "Official Savoury Snacks Partner" (to name but two) who are companies no one in Gorse Hill has ever heard of.

8) Their "Official Airline Partner" doesn't fly into or out of Manchester.

Additionally, in 1902 with the club on the verge of bankruptcy and having already been served a winding up order, a wealthy businessman by the name of John Henry Davies and three other investors saved the club. Undoubtedly his wealth paid a part in being able to buy the majority of our 1904 FA Cup winning side (the side that won the rags their first titles), who ironically had to be sold after it was exposed that we'd overpaid players beyond the FA sanctioned £4 per week maximum. John Henry Davies then funded the construction of Old Trafford, which cost a staggering amount of money at the time.

 

[Judge Roughneck]

I don't even bother engaging with other clubs fans in football talk anymore unless they instigate it. I will support City passionately to the grave whatever happens and couldn't care less about any other clubs or their fans. I don't care what Hull call themselves, don't care what colour Cardiff play in, don't care who plays in the Olympic stadium, don't care if Glazer continues to turn old Trafford into the theatre of seats. I had a Villa fan say to me with a straight face that he would rather Villa stay the same than be invested in to the extent we have. Collymore even labelled their so called promising youngsters as second rate after their totally inept performance against the erstwhile stuttering rags. Well if that's what floats their boat it's a bleak fookin outlook!
As soon as they start that money stick future I'm just walking off while they're mid sentence.

 

[BlueTG]

How much we, or any team spends on a player is essentially irrelevant to every club apart from those that receive the money. If Liverpool or Arsenal go on to win the league this year I doubt they will be tarred with the brush of 'buying' the league, although most of their squads have been bought. It's only when it's us or Chelsea, because we pay top dollar for reasons which the club see's fit, or through idiocy (ie Santa Cruz), that money comes in to matter. But of course they all earned their money I guess.

Every team that competes have 'bought' their way there now, and if we've spent more, that's fairly irrelevant to an extent and only ever underpins our success's or failures, which is really relatively judged by ourselves and our club, not some no-mark wannabe jockey or smelly armchair plastic.

 

[ElanJo]

Re: Success bought not earnt

They, and a few others, created the environment where you had to spend big to compete. Now that other clubs have been forced to do just that, thanks to their warping of the game, they're trying to make that impossible (under the guise of saving clubs from themselves, of course). They're no different to the 'Big Business' monopolists that use the state to protect their status.


Whilst on the subject, and since I have the balls to ask, did Utd earn the worldwide fame and sympathy that followed the air disaster?

 

[jrb]

Re: Success bought not earnt

Here's everything you need:

1) In 1931 they were saved from going out of business by a wealthy local man called James Gibson. He not only recruited Busby but paid for Old Trafford to be rebuilt after the war out of his own pocket.

2) In 1981 they, along with Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs blackmailed the Football League into stopping the sharing of gate receipts with visiting clubs, by threatening to set-up a breakaway league.

3) In 1992, the same clubs stuck two fingers up at the Football League by negotiating the set-up of the Premier League. That meant all TV money went to the PL rather than the 50% they previously got, with the rest being shared across the other three divisions.

4) As a founder member of the G14, they were involved in forcing UEFA to pay them for players on international duty, which obviously benefitted the big clubs. Once again, using a tactic from 1981, they threatened a breakaway European Super League.

5) The G14 pushed for more and more money from UEFA for the Champions League, including the infamous second group stage. This was to ensure that the big clubs got more gate receipts from guaranteed games. The TV companies however got them to drop it as it was a tV turn-off.

6) They've forced up ticket prices well beyond the rate of inflation. They now pull in about £4m per game, far more than anyone else (bar Arsenal)

7) They've prostituted themselves to every company possible, particularly in the Far East, who'll pay them a few million quid. They have an "Official Noodle Partner" and an "Official Savoury Snacks Partner" (to name but two) who are companies no one in Gorse Hill has ever heard of.

8) Their "Official Airline Partner" doesn't fly into or out of Manchester.

Additionally, in 1902 with the club on the verge of bankruptcy and having already been served a winding up order, a wealthy businessman by the name of John Henry Davies and three other investors saved the club. Undoubtedly his wealth paid a part in being able to buy the majority of our 1904 FA Cup winning side (the side that won the rags their first titles), who ironically had to be sold after it was exposed that we'd overpaid players beyond the FA sanctioned £4 per week maximum. John Henry Davies then funded the construction of Old Trafford, which cost a staggering amount of money at the time.

Since that list was published in January of this year, I think they've added another 10-15 sponsors. They must have between 45-50 sponsors ATM.

Not to mention selling 10% of the club on the NYSE. And listing the club/company in the Cayman Islands.

And their fans accuse our club of selling it's soul.(get to f***!)

 

[Marvin]

Re: Success bought not earnt

And 1966 Old Trafford was rebuilt / modernised with a public grant for the World Cup

 

[ElanJo]

Re: Success bought not earnt

Official paint partner? Christ...

 

[Ray78]

Re: Success bought not earnt

How much did they spend before they won their first title?

 

[jrb]

Yet Arsenal were more than happy to take our money for 3 Arsenal players we signed.

If they're a club steeped in football morality, why didn't they tell City to keep their money?

 

[Deleted member 58619]

Re: Success bought not earnt

Scum