The New House of Commons Speaker

[MillionMilesAway]

Here: https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61908

At 57 now, pretty even split between Tories and SNP.

Bear in mind, removing the speaker would cause a political headache for Sunak. Hoyle has been very lenient to him, and installing a more extreme speaker (which his mob would call for) just risks them being deposed after the next election and starting a tit-for-tat of "installing my guy" with Labour. A tug of war nobody wants.

thanks - 31 Conservatives, I made it, several of whom are standing down or firebrands (Cates, Anderson, Gullis).

I agree though - it makes for very uncertain circumstances. All the MPs standing down makes the field quite narrow, and they'd want someone who could continue after the election.

I assume that some won't sign it because it's a Conservative motion; the SNP leadership will be waiting until they've had their meeting, and still then have to decide on the devil you know or the devil you don't.

 

[bluethrunthru]

49 MPs have signed a no-confidence motion in Hoyle:

and? There is no process that signing enables them to get rid of the speaker. The speaker either dies, quits or is replaced when a new Parliament is formed. Its performative nonsense from a Govt which still has a large majority but which couldn't muster its vote. Hoyle is a waste of space for most of the time but what we are seeing is politicians who threw their toys out of the pram and have now got out and thrown them back into the pram so they can demonstrate throwing them out again

 

[hilts]

Yeah Labour refusing to back a ceasefire on the basis they weren't the ones who'd asked for it and relying on the speaker to throw himself under the bus to get their motion through doesn't really count as handing anyone their arse. Especially when thousands of innocent people have been dying whilst they've been politicking about it for the last few months. Starmer's an embarrassment.

He ain't alone

 

[hilts]

This is very much a "plague on all your houses" type situation for me. The Tory's starting position is shameful (nothing unusual there), the SNP using Palestine as a political football to damage Labour is shameful, Labour doing whatever they've done to influence the speaker (which still isn't clear) is shameful.

But what really hammers it home for me, is where has this passion for orthodoxy been during the 14 years the Conservatives have been ripping up the rulebook at the expense of this country? With their constant making of statements before briefing Parliament, or them passing bullshit unlawful bills that later get struck down by courts. They could have been walking out of Parliament every day about things that will actually matter, but instead they decide to do it on an extremely sensitive issue when the bill being passed will have zero practical impact.

Suddenly, the Tories care about convention. Suddenly, Labour care not for it. Suddenly, the SNP are the ones playing the sort of political games they accuse everybody else of.

The whole thing is ridiculous. The speaker has always been weak, I won't miss him if he resigns.

Depressing.

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[ganganvince]

A bit like the Rashford offside decision then?

Only if he had had a chat with Eric before game and told him that it would be ok

 

[blueinsa]

can someone explain what happened as if you're explaining to a 10 year old

City about to tap in a last minute winner against Utd only to then see Liverpool get the 3 points best sums it up.

 

[urban genie]

can someone explain what happened as if you're explaining to a 10 year old

Every year about 20 days are allocatiled and shared by opposition parties where tgry can set the items up for discussion amdnto be voted on if necessary.
It is respectfully observed that on such a day that if the party whose day it is (SNP in this case) bring up a debate and vote, then any amendments from other parties will be rejected by the house and the original motion voted on.

Hoyle ignored usual protocol and effectively chose a labour motion sticking 2 fingers up at the SNP, which is deemed unparliamentary and ungentlemanly.

 

[ganganvince]

City about to tap in a last minute winner against Utd only to then see Liverpool get the 3 points best sums it up.

With the goal scored by a subbed player coming back on

 

[MouldensChippy]

With the goal scored by a subbed player coming back on

After he'd already recieved a red card earlier in the match !

 

[meltonblue]

Every year about 20 days are allocatiled and shared by opposition parties where tgry can set the items up for discussion amdnto be voted on if necessary.
It is respectfully observed that on such a day that if the party whose day it is (SNP in this case) bring up a debate and vote, then any amendments from other parties will be rejected by the house and the original motion voted on.

Hoyle ignored usual protocol and effectively chose a labour motion sticking 2 fingers up at the SNP, which is deemed unparliamentary and ungentlemanly.

Amendments aren’t rejected by the house as such, it’s that normally only one is chosen (and if the government table an amendment it’s supposed to be just that one) and it is voted on after the original motion.