Ok pretty shit is a bit strong. Pretty average then. It's good at some things but very poor at others. Cancer survival rates are below average and we are something like 15th out of 19 surveyed by the kings fund on infant mortality. The idea of healthcare available to all and free at the point of use is s noble one which everyone here supports, of course.Except the NHS isn’t pretty shit.
It might be inefficient in areas and need a revamp in certain aspects but it is far from being shit.
I’d go as far as saying it’s the greatest institution in this country and arguably the world.
You're a cynic. It's a daft suggestion tbh.
Eh?Explain to me the benefits of selling some NHS services to private US companies then?
Eh?
1. We don't *sell* anything. Third parties bid for NHS work and we *buy* services from them.
2. WTF are you talking about?
1) Selling was a turn of phrase. The fact that third parties run services is in my eyes a form of NHS having "sold" their services, since they then have to purchase said service back.
2) I'm asking you a simple question, what are the benefits to third parties running services for the NHS?
This is not a difficult concept. The NHS does work, sometimes it's work for which it doesn't have the capacity, skills, resources or inclination and it decides it would rather get some other organisation to do it instead. Third parties are free to bid for such work, and are run for the interests of their customers, their employees and their shareholders.
Unless I am mistaken, there isn't an NHS flour mill, meat processing plant or dairy. They buy bread and meat and milk from providers of such. And they might decide to buy cleaning services from a cleaning company instead of doing it themselves. If there is a long waiting list for knee operations, the NHS might pay Spire to do the knee operation. So long as the patient gets his free knee operation, sooner and in nicer surroundings, I doubt he or she minds.
So what is your point? 93% of NHS spending goes on NHS activities BTW, not third parties.
It seems a difficult concept to you. The NHS isn’t given autonomy to choose what it farms out, Government policy forces their hand. And private companies exist to make profit so it’s simply economics that medicines and treatments will cost more by a private company than a non profit. Finally, we all pay for the NHS through our taxes (unless you’re a tax dodger) so yes it should matter to us and no it’s not free.
It's boris who says 12,000 nurses are going to be brought in from abroad,they won't be with that deal,he also says he is going to retain i forget how many,they are not new as thay are already here,unless his gives them a pay rise and stops trusts from charging them to park at work they will keep leaving at the same rate,the rest of his new ones are already here 19.000 odd,every which way it's a bald faced lieThe nurses question is incredibly misleading. My current line manager is a former NHS manager and his wife is a nurse now.
They have enough applicants but it’s down to poor management. His belief is that they don’t need to import any more and those 5000 that have apparently left due to leaving the EU isn’t as big an issue as made out.
I have absolutely no idea if he’s right or not but for the record he’s a former LibDem voter, who nearly became a candidate for them, who now disagrees with revoke and so is voting Green.
I say this to show he’s not biased, he believes passionately in the health service.
It isn't a lie Karen. I was confused about this too until I listened to More or Less on the BBC earlier this week, which went into it in some detail.It's boris who says 12,000 nurses are going to be brought in from abroad,they won't be with that deal,he also says he is going to retain i forget how many,they are not new as thay are already here,unless his gives them a pay rise and stops trusts from charging them to park at work they will keep leaving at the same rate,the rest of his new ones are already here 19.000 odd,every which way it's a bald faced lie
There is a lot of poor management in the service,that is what wastes a lot of the money,it's a never ending problem
Boris promises 50,000 new nurses,he has been forced to accept that 19,000 of them are already here so they are not new,the rest he wants to get in will not come here being charged 10,000 quid to do it and the rest was retaining nurses and as i said just leaving things as they are will not stop them leaving, it's a nonsense,i have seen him talk about this several times,it's a sound bite about something the public care about no more no less,it will not happenIt isn't a lie Karen. I was confused about this too until I listened to More or Less on the BBC earlier this week, which went into it in some detail.
According to the Kings fund, apparently we have around 280,000 nurses at the moment and the Tories are saying they will increase it to 330,000. By anyone's maths, that is 50,000 more nurses and "More or Less" confirmed there was nothing dodgy in the claim at all, let alone it being a lie.
"We don't think there's anything dodgy about this promise. It means what it seems to mean".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000bx15
Over the past 5 years, we have recruited 160,000 nurses into the NHS, but unfortunately we have also lost about 160,000. Over the next 5 years, the Tories wish to increase the first number and reduce the second one. For a net gain of 50,000 more nurses.
Now, you might very reasonably question whether this is achievable, and who knows, you may be right. But the numbers do add up. The Tories are promising 50,000 more nurses: 280,000 rising to 330,000.
I think they explained this spectacularly badly however.