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The Offside Rule is stupid !
- Thread starter Heidenreich
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Completely agree with this, if you need to scrutinise the frame then have to draw lines then that’s not clear and obvious.Why not abandon the lines? Let VAR look at a still frame and if they can't tell "just by looking at it" then it can't be a clear an obvious error, let it go.
Inter Me Nan
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We've been on the end of some shockers verses the dippers!
Trevor Morley's Tache
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I stopped being shocked by the decisions we get against the Dippers a long time ago.We've been on the end of some shockers verses the dippers!
As stated previously speed time & distance rules don’t apply to pigmol and we can trust their decisions are 100% accurate and every physics teacher in the world has been wrong for centuries. In Mike Riley we trust and all that.This highlights A MAJOR problem with the current tech in that there aren't enough camera angles covered, so it's not always possible see an angle that shows clear daylight between the ball and the player making the pass. In this instance it is is literally just guesswork as to which is the correct time frame to use for the pass being made.
Another problem is camera frame rate. If we consider Phil Foden at a top speed of 37.12km/h, or 10.331 m/s then at a frame rate of 50 fps then there is a 20.6cm difference from 1 frame to the next. Even if you consider him running at half that speed it's still over 10cm, and they draw lines that show people offside by A TOENAIL.
For reference the cameras used for sprint race photo finishes are 10,000 fps, albeit scanning a smaller area.
The BIGGEST problem is the twats that operate it.
Brightwell Bros.
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I think this is what I expected when VAR came in. A quick scan for glaring fuck ups from the ref when the goal is scored, there to advise if something happens off the ball the ref doesn't see, everything else should be left with the ref on the pitch.I like this. Sometimes a simple solution is staring us in the face.
The referee/linesmen don't have the benefit of those lines so why should the VAR?
tregyblue61
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To me, if you have to draw lines, do it from the feet. Fuck shirt sleeves, shoulders etc.
Bollocks to this "clear and obvious" the ref did this and that. Just use your fuckin' eyes and engage the brain!
I know, I know, you don't have to say any more.
Bollocks to this "clear and obvious" the ref did this and that. Just use your fuckin' eyes and engage the brain!
I know, I know, you don't have to say any more.
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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The offside rule as it stands is stupid. It exists to stop the attacking side from gaining an advantage from goal hanging, or behaviour close to it. I understand that.
Common sense solution, I believe, is offside by the depth of the torso. I'm not even asking for clear daylight. Obviously, where you put the cursor is arbitrary, but anyone who's played at any level knows that that does give the attacker a clear advantage over any defender in a sprint, at the moment the ball is played to him. Anything more than that is also obviously offside and if the ref has missed it VAR should signal it in the earpiece.
As it stands, the situation leads to absurd rulings purely because the technology is now there to calculate in millimetres, or a centimetre or two. It is an abomination, and it leads to decisions which no match-going supporter can defend, whether those decisions go for him or against him.
Let's get back to common sense. And let's get back to trusting the linos and the ref a little more. I'll take my chances with that.
Common sense solution, I believe, is offside by the depth of the torso. I'm not even asking for clear daylight. Obviously, where you put the cursor is arbitrary, but anyone who's played at any level knows that that does give the attacker a clear advantage over any defender in a sprint, at the moment the ball is played to him. Anything more than that is also obviously offside and if the ref has missed it VAR should signal it in the earpiece.
As it stands, the situation leads to absurd rulings purely because the technology is now there to calculate in millimetres, or a centimetre or two. It is an abomination, and it leads to decisions which no match-going supporter can defend, whether those decisions go for him or against him.
Let's get back to common sense. And let's get back to trusting the linos and the ref a little more. I'll take my chances with that.
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lazerblue
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they need to stop drawing lines down from the shoulders,armpits, wherever and just use the line across the pitch and if your feet are onside or level its a goal,simple, why complicate something so simple
chester57
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1. Manchester City
Points without VAR: 85
Actual points: 86
Actual position: 1st
2. Liverpool
Points without VAR: 72
Actual points: 69
Actual position: 3rd
3. Manchester United
Points without VAR: 71
Actual points: 74
Actual position: 2nd
4. Arsenal
Points without VAR: 65
Actual points: 61
Actual position: 8th I found this on planetfootball.com for last season, not sure how accurate it is.
Points without VAR: 85
Actual points: 86
Actual position: 1st
2. Liverpool
Points without VAR: 72
Actual points: 69
Actual position: 3rd
3. Manchester United
Points without VAR: 71
Actual points: 74
Actual position: 2nd
4. Arsenal
Points without VAR: 65
Actual points: 61
Actual position: 8th I found this on planetfootball.com for last season, not sure how accurate it is.