The Post General Election Thread

[stonerblue]

Socialists still in bed whilst the go getters of the world are up and ready for another day of enterprise, even though its a Saturday! Gorgeous morning, the smell of sweet blossom wafting,birds singing and now lets get this GREAT country going!

I've been up an hour and a half and am on my way to work in a minute. I bet i pay more in tax today than you.

 

[kas_tippler]

its May 2020 and the country is in the middle of an election frenzy. who will get in, who will lose their deposit, will Nigel quit again.nobody has a clue.

what we do know is rascal, pb and all the other sore losers will still be stamping their feet demanding a recount. its funny as fuck. i'll be near 66 by then so i wont give a fuck but i almost want a labour win (as if) just to shut the fuckers up. i mean fuck me what will they be like if the tories get a third term. ha ha. that is a "must see".

If labour win in 2020 this place will be like RAWK with the right wingers whingeing. There's been a fair amount of projection going on from the wingers (it is a right wing trait) with many of the RWNJs accusing lefties of the kind of behaviour that they themselves indulge in.

I particularly like the raggy comments when the RWers have been crowing like Rag Cafe after the vermin have won the derby with a 158th minute Rooney shinner with City down to 8 men.

If buts and maybes

 

[kas_tippler]

Socialists still in bed whilst the go getters of the world are up and ready for another day of enterprise, even though its a Saturday! Gorgeous morning, the smell of sweet blossom wafting,birds singing and now lets get this GREAT country going!

I've been up an hour and a half and am on my way to work in a minute. I bet i pay more in tax today than you.

 

[The perfect fumble]

its May 2020 and the country is in the middle of an election frenzy. who will get in, who will lose their deposit, will Nigel quit again.nobody has a clue.

what we do know is rascal, pb and all the other sore losers will still be stamping their feet demanding a recount. its funny as fuck. i'll be near 66 by then so i wont give a fuck but i almost want a labour win (as if) just to shut the fuckers up. i mean fuck me what will they be like if the tories get a third term. ha ha. that is a "must see".

If Labour win in 2020 this place will be like RAWK with the right wingers whingeing. There's been a fair amount of projection going on from the wingers (it is a right wing trait) with many of the RWNJs accusing lefties of the kind of behaviour that they themselves indulge in.

I particularly like the raggy comments when the RWers have been crowing like Rag Cafe after the vermin have won the derby with a 158th minute Rooney shinner with City down to 8 men.

Well for one will not be whingeing because if they do win in 2020 it will either be a miracle kindred to the resurrection of Christ or the Tories have been so absolutely abysmal and incomprehensibly stupid that they didn't deserve to win!

'Events, dear boy, events'

Harold Macmillan

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

How will increasing public sector pay increase private sector pay?

Because it increases consumer demand, thereby stimulating output.

Leave the thinking to the professionals son and go back to The Mail. There's a great story about 'diversity dolls' in there.

We could get more hours , we could get more jobs , but an increase in public sector pay will never increase private sector pay.

Won't it?

According to the IMF's formula, an increase of 1% in public sector pay would:
- generate around £750m in various direct taxes would;
- inject between £500 and £900m into the economy;
- create up to 20,000 jobs in the private sector.

 

[Lucky13]

Because it increases consumer demand, thereby stimulating output.

Leave the thinking to the professionals son and go back to The Mail. There's a great story about 'diversity dolls' in there.

We could get more hours , we could get more jobs , but an increase in public sector pay will never increase private sector pay.

Won't it?

According to the IMF's formula, an increase of 1% in public sector pay would:
- generate around £750m in various direct taxes would;
- inject between £500 and £900m into the economy;
- create up to 20,000 jobs in the private sector.

I don't dispute any of the above , what I do dispute is that increasing public sector wages will increase private sector wages which you have claimed will happen.

 

[CityStu]

France were in a similar position to us when the coalition came into power, only they voted in a socialist government. Since then, the coalition has created more jobs in Yorkshire alone than France has created and our unemployment rate is half of theirs. In their most recent elections, they've replaced that socialist government with a right wing alternative. So why would they have done that if the socialist approach is better and is at least as adept at improving the economy as the right wing method of narrowing the public sector?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

We could get more hours , we could get more jobs , but an increase in public sector pay will never increase private sector pay.

Won't it?

According to the IMF's formula, an increase of 1% in public sector pay would:
- generate around £750m in various direct taxes;
- inject between £500 and £900m into the economy;
- create up to 20,000 jobs in the private sector.

I don't dispute any of the above , what I do dispute is that increasing public sector wages will increase private sector wages which you have claimed will happen.

I think we can both accept that wage rises can only be paid out of increased productivity.
Productivity can only increase if demand is there to support extra output.
Demand is stimulated by people having more money in their pockets.

Therefore injecting extra money into the economy via the public sector would stimulate demand, lead to rising productivity which, in turn, would fund wage rises. The problem with the current situation is that wage rises are not being funded by increased productivity.

 

[The perfect fumble]

We could get more hours , we could get more jobs , but an increase in public sector pay will never increase private sector pay.

Won't it?

According to the IMF's formula, an increase of 1% in public sector pay would:
- generate around £750m in various direct taxes would;
- inject between £500 and £900m into the economy;
- create up to 20,000 jobs in the private sector.

I don't dispute any of the above , what I do dispute is that increasing public sector wages will increase private sector wages which you have claimed will happen.

It does happen. Down south (with the exception of the south west) public sector wages (generally) lag behind private sector wages, but up north they do not. What that means is that in order to attract staff the private sector up north has had to move towards public sector pay rates.

Don't go off in a right wing/left wing spin, even Ian Duncan Smith knows this, that's why the Tories are trying to push through regional pay rates in the public sector, SMEs (small to medium size businesses) have been banging on about this for ages.


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2453494/Public-sector-wages-outstrip-private-3-000-Workers-receive-average-6-pay-premium-despite-year-squeeze.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ueeze.html</a>

"Public sector wages still outstrip private by more than £3,000: Workers still receive average 6% 'pay premium' despite three-year squeeze

Public sector pay is 14% more in parts of the North East, Merseyside and the South West
But in central London, the East and South East public sector workers are paid on average less than those in the private sector"

"Matthew Oakley, head of economics and social policy at Policy Exchange, said: ‘Nationalised pay negotiation is not fit for purpose for the modern public sector. It is bad for the economy and bad for public services.

‘We should move to a system where local public sector employers can decide how to negotiate salaries with employees in order to reflect the realities of their local labour market."

 

[Lucky13]

Won't it?

According to the IMF's formula, an increase of 1% in public sector pay would:
- generate around £750m in various direct taxes;
- inject between £500 and £900m into the economy;
- create up to 20,000 jobs in the private sector.

I don't dispute any of the above , what I do dispute is that increasing public sector wages will increase private sector wages which you have claimed will happen.

I think we can both accept that wage rises can only be paid out of increased productivity.
Productivity can only increase if demand is there to support extra output.
Demand is stimulated by people having more money in their pockets.

Therefore injecting extra money into the economy via the public sector would stimulate demand, lead to rising productivity which, in turn, would fund wage rises. The problem with the current situation is that wage rises are not being funded by increased productivity.

Our Store has increased year on year sales by @ 4.5% and has just been told to decrease working hours by 30, lucky for me I'm full time so it doesn't affect me, it's tough in the private sector, my choice I know, any increase in public sector wages would have no effect on mine.