The Queen's been given a pay rise

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johnmc said:
Gabriel said:
Paris receives more tourists than London, apparently.

They have a palace that people visit as well. It's one of Paris' biggest attractions. But apparently people only visit Buckingham Palace to get a glimpse of the Queen.

-- Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:12 pm --

Gabriel said:
Paris receives more tourists than London, apparently.

Versailles gets far more visitors than Buckingham.

When I just checked Legoland Windsor was a more popular tourist destination than Windsor Castle.
 
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BornLate58 said:
Sponges of the highest order- not. One of them has any done a a days work

Calm yourself!! The Royals have their own money and they pay tax (more than Starbucks, Amazon , Google, whomever supplies your electricity I believe) so don’t give me the spongers line. They also allow the profits from the Crown Estates to be paid to the Treasury (£200million last year) in return for the Civil List (£60 million if I recall).

The grumpy lefties like to peddle the “Royal parasite” line because, sadly, that’s what grumpy lefties do and they never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
 
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The crown estates argument is one i can't get my head around though. Y
That's not land they earned is it. It was bequeathed to them. Somewhere down the line they decided they had a claim over it as they were better than everyone else.
 
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smudgedj said:
BornLate58 said:
Sponges of the highest order- not. One of them has any done a a days work

Calm yourself!! The Royals have their own money and they pay tax (more than Starbucks, Amazon , Google, whomever supplies your electricity I believe) so don’t give me the spongers line. They also allow the profits from the Crown Estates to be paid to the Treasury (£200million last year) in return for the Civil List (£60 million if I recall).

The grumpy lefties like to peddle the “Royal parasite” line because, sadly, that’s what grumpy lefties do and they never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
What's a grumpy lefty just stating the royal family are no more than a bunch of parasites.
 
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smudgedj said:
BornLate58 said:
Sponges of the highest order- not. One of them has any done a a days work

Calm yourself!! The Royals have their own money and they pay tax (more than Starbucks, Amazon , Google, whomever supplies your electricity I believe) so don’t give me the spongers line. They also allow the profits from the Crown Estates to be paid to the Treasury (£200million last year) in return for the Civil List (£60 million if I recall).

The grumpy lefties like to peddle the “Royal parasite” line because, sadly, that’s what grumpy lefties do and they never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Paying tax is surely the very least you'd expect!? I don't think you can use it as an argument in their defence.
 
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Why devote funds to the sick + hungry when you can buy wallpaper for the rich?
 
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http://memelogic.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/meme-of-english-monarchy.html

The meme of the English monarchy.
Stockholm syndrome on a national scale?

How can we explain that, even today in England and across the globe, in a world supposedly holding democratic and humanist values, people celebrate a marriage representing so many anti-democratic values?


Indeed, we have here a unelected royal family both head of State and head of the Church. What kind of democracy is this? However, these titles are symbolic and the reality is that the power of the English monarchy is theoretically rather limited. Thus, one can say that this does not directly threaten the English democracy.

From a philosophical and political standpoint one can also ask why the duties of head of State and head of Church are still linked together. Indeed Protestantism is a state religion in England, so much for the principles of separation of church and state !

Finally, from a humanistic point of view I see two problems with this marriage.
First, the religious aspect of marriage, which in a modern society misrepresents the people's differences in worship and promotes specific religious view over others. Could we hope for the royals to have a secular wedding ?
Then, there is the military uniform of the prince which is, surely a symbol of power but also anything but a symbol of peace and openness.

So what have we here? Literally billions of people celebrating symbols such as the monarchy, a symbol of dictatorship, religion, a symbol of blind faith and discrimination of cult, and the army, a symbol of death.

So what is it about this wedding that appeals so much to people?
Of course marriage is a strong symbol of love, family and prosperity. The military uniform gives the groom an image of a powerful man. The bride's dress represents innocence and fertility. The religious set provides a divine and magic finish. In short, we have a large event bringing together traditional folk values and aspirations, in other words a true fairy tale.

Ultimately what remains of the real monarchy is a masquerade, a TV series in which members of the royal family are actors and whose audience just want more and more. Strangely it seems to have little importance to people to know that there were reasons why the Kings were dethroned, to know that people have turned against those who kept them in misery or sent them to war and unnecessary death or even massacred them for what they believed.

It seems the English people suffer from amnesia. They can not help but sympathize with their former oppressor. The monarchy was like a parent who beats you up and says it's for your own good. After all these years of torment, you resigned, you have learned to ignore your tragic fate and you start to love those rare moments when your oppressor hands you a bit of food. But today is different, now the beast has been tamed and now that the monster's hands are tied, it looks like a harmless lamb that everyone wants as a pet. Who today would want to have Will and Kate decapitated?
Well, In the Arab world today, kings are not in fashion !

Is this a somewhat sadistic revenge of the people on their executioner? Now is the time when monarchs are caught at their own game, they've become the toys of a super-powerful company which can afford to keep up the royal doll house in which the puppets perform, controlled by the inextricable strings of the system.

Finally, is it acceptable that innocent children are forced by the sovereign people to become their puppets?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to end this big royal "reality show" and let the beast die in peace?
 
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BornLate58 said:
tidyman said:
bluetrue said:
If we didn't have the Royal Family, then this country would lose a hell of a lot of it's tourists!

Why?
Exactly
We have history without German hang er ongers

Ooh I like this game! Care to tell us who and when the last monarch NOT born in this country was? Without your blinkers? You'll be surprised!

FF
 
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Apply the bedroom tax for surplus bedrooms to their benefits. Should sort them out and make them downsize to make ends meet.
 
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johnmc said:
Gabriel said:
Paris receives more tourists than London, apparently.

They have a palace that people visit as well. It's one of Paris' biggest attractions. But apparently people only visit Buckingham Palace to get a glimpse of the Queen.
Exactly. They can't go in the bloody thing because we've got a queen. Get rid of her and people would be able to look around it like they do in Paris, and I bet you'd see an upturn in visitors.

Of the top five countries for overseas tourism, only one is a monarchy. And I doubt Spain is in the top 5 because of its monarchy, somehow.
 
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johnmc said:
The crown estates argument is one i can't get my head around though. Y
That's not land they earned is it. It was bequeathed to them. Somewhere down the line they decided they had a claim over it as they were better than everyone else.
True. It's essentially state-owned land, not their own private property. It is owned by "the crown" so if they give up their claim to the crown, they also give up their claim to the property attached to it. It's our property. The idea that the royal family "pays for itself" is just an elaborate PR bluff that loads of people have blindly fallen for.
 
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Markt85 said:
Yes.

The Royal Household consists of thousands of workers from kitchen staff to library workers to the queen herself, they are paid through the crown estate which is NOT funded by the tax payer she surrendered her royal proceeds to the government who in return grant her finances to represent this country abroad for economic,trade and international bonding, the royal estate made a profit for this country of around 250 million which in turn is given back to the government for spending on the nation.

Crown estate my fakkin arse cockernee.<br /><br />-- Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:54 am --<br /><br />
Markt85 said:
dannybcity said:
Markt85 said:
Yes.

The Royal Household consists of thousands of workers from kitchen staff to library workers to the queen herself, they are paid through the crown estate which is NOT funded by the tax payer she surrendered her royal proceeds to the government who in return grant her finances to represent this country abroad for economic,trade and international bonding, the royal estate made a profit for this country of around 250 million which in turn is given back to the government for spending on the nation.

The Crown Estate is not funded though tax payers you are correct however it's is essentially owned by them. The profit made by the Crown Estate has bugger all to do with the Queen so why is she getting a pay rise? Are the kitchen staff and library workers getting 5% pay rise as well?



It's not just her its the whole royal family, they undertake on average over 3,000 international engagements per year, imagine how much that would cost a president or any other head of state you would choose ... Take the monarchy away and Britain would be 250 million down.

bollox
the costs for her 'work' are paid by the state
 
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Gawd bless ya ma'am.
 
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Rocket-footed kolarov said:
bluetrue said:
If we didn't have the Royal Family, then this country would lose a hell of a lot of it's tourists!

We could always sell the palaces to Noel to reignite his theme park empire. If there is one thing mericans love it is theme parks.

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Thought we wanted to attract visitors, not kill them? :)
 
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Worth every penny, she brings in a 100 times more than she takes and she works hard. The rest of em can fook right off, apart from Harry, my daughter loves him so he's ok by me.
 
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Fat Fairy said:
BornLate58 said:
tidyman said:
Exactly
We have history without German hang er ongers

Ooh I like this game! Care to tell us who and when the last monarch NOT born in this country was? Without your blinkers? You'll be surprised!

FF
George II ,early 18th century, Germany?

Their ancestry is very much German though - Prince Albert, Phil's mother,Mary of Teck etc etc
 

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