The Rapture (Return of Christ) & Doomsday Predicted

[speccybob]

You can find passages in the Bible that paint Gehenna/Hell in different ways. In some it's the residence of the devil, in others it's a place where you are alive and tormented, in others it's a place where your soul is annihilated etc. That's why there are so many denominations believing different things. Most are justified scripturally even tho they're kind of mutually exclusive views. But that's the Bible for ya...

Gehenna wasn't some underworld that Satan rules over. It was a town. A quick Googling tells me that it means Hinnom:

The Hinnom Valley is a deep, narrow ravine located in Jerusalem, running south from the Jaffa Gate on the west side of the Old City, then eastward along the south side of Mount Zion until it meets the Kidron Valley which separates the Temple Mount from the Mount of Olives on the east side of the city. It is named from a certain "son of Hinnom" who apparently owned or had some significant association with the valley at a time prior to Joshua 15:8.

Geenna

 

[Damocles]

Geenna

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna</a>

 

[ElanJo]

You can find passages in the Bible that paint Gehenna/Hell in different ways. In some it's the residence of the devil, in others it's a place where you are alive and tormented, in others it's a place where your soul is annihilated etc. That's why there are so many denominations believing different things. Most are justified scripturally even tho they're kind of mutually exclusive views. But that's the Bible for ya...

Gehenna wasn't some underworld that Satan rules over. It was a town. A quick Googling tells me that it means Hinnom:

The Hinnom Valley is a deep, narrow ravine located in Jerusalem, running south from the Jaffa Gate on the west side of the Old City, then eastward along the south side of Mount Zion until it meets the Kidron Valley which separates the Temple Mount from the Mount of Olives on the east side of the city. It is named from a certain "son of Hinnom" who apparently owned or had some significant association with the valley at a time prior to Joshua 15:8.

Yea, in reality it was a place or valley where apostates were sent and where people made burnt offerings and blood sacrifice etc. However, there is still a doctrine concerning the afterlife, judgement and punishment which uses the same name. I can't think of the literal term to describe it but it's not quite a metaphor .. something like metaphym (some english wiz can correct me) It's like how there's a real place called Washington but people also use "Washington" to describe the US federal government.

 

[lloydie]

metanym

(not claiming expert status)

 

[tonea2003]

I certainly think it could happen by then. THese are the end times, brother, dictated in revelations. Man's turned his back on god

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biggot.. ah crap i'm not suppose to judge... erm. person.

how foolish would you feel if there was a rapture and you were sent to hell though? and why do you feel the need to make those who believe in something they take for commonplace seem dumb?

Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope, and the Bible.

a little confused here so help me out

one such passage

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

so what does this refer to and many others within the bible where hell is mentioned

 

[HamannCheese]

The Egg
By: Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.

Brilliant

 

[jamiegrimble]

Hell=Purgatory,Limbo is a catholic theory.Probably being rethought considering the Vatican stance now,in the light of new revelation. As far as I can remember there are 3 Greek words for Hell in the Good Book. Off the top of my head they are.
Gehenna= A Continual fire that burns. I think in olden days in Israel there was a dumping ground for the bodies of criminals that were considered to evil to bury among the population. So there was a kind of tip, where they, and the sick such as lepers were taken to be burned. This fire was always burning, apparently. Gehenna I think is the symbol of the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation.
Tartaroo= A dungeon or place of containment, where spirit beings or sinning angels are kept in chains, until judgement day. I think that’s in the book of Jude.
Hades= A kind of hole in the ground, where you would retrieve, let’s say a potato. But its of the earth.
Im no expert and am willing to be educated by a more knowledgeable person on the subject.Not sure if my spelling of the Greek words are correct either. What I wrote is how I remember, what I was taught from the Good Book.

Hades and Shoea literally mean grave. Not sure about Tartaroo, might have something to do with Tartarus which was a Greek dungeon.

Gehenna is a town.

Hades(Gr,.Heb. ‘Sheol’) was the symbol of the place all dead went in OT Times of Moses and the Prophets. There may be another name for hell, which I recall, ‘ Topheth ,’Which translated means ,place of fire, or a burning place. This place was an artificial high place Which lay south of Jerusalem, at the junction of Ge-ben –Hinnom and the Kidron Valley.As far as I can remember this word Topheth symbolises a kind of pyre being lit and executions or burnt offerings taking place, which were forbidden according to Levitical Law.
There may be many meanings to the one word Hell,, and occasionally, especially in The NT the point gets lost in translation, or lack of awareness of the Laws, or surroundings and culture of that era/time, and then maybe taken out of context, add to this at other times for driving a point home about being aware of a particular danger, the teacher would use Hyperbole.

 

[Damocles]

Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope, and the Bible.

a little confused here so help me out

one such passage

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

so what does this refer to and many others within the bible where hell is mentioned

The Bible wasn't written in English. The people who did the translations did so with an agenda. The original words are discussed above.

 

[speccybob]

Geenna

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna</a>

I quoted you as I came across a few pages about Geenna and not Gehenna. I am by far no expert on this subject but thought it might be what you were looking for
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/1999-February/003797.html
http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTARO77.htm

 

[tonea2003]

a little confused here so help me out

one such passage

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

so what does this refer to and many others within the bible where hell is mentioned

The Bible wasn't written in English. The people who did the translations did so with an agenda. The original words are discussed above.

apologies should read above.
really should of listened in school. not that the catholic school would of told me.