The Scottish Politics thread

[hilts]

I agree that it will take time. But we are in a dosnward spural being run by useless cunts. We can and will do better and the main thing is, we are in control. Not utter cunts who we never voted for. I trust us more than any lying, selfish, greedy, dishonarable bastsrds.

If we were such a burden, we would be let go. We aren't. And the reason is clear to those who are wiling to look. Show me one country who got independence from the UK who wants to return? And we are lightyears ahead of them all. We are in tje shit right now and have been for decades with no chance of a fairer country. O was never a supporter of Indy. Seeing our votes to help labour win as crucial to standing with working class brothers and sisters in the UK. But when they vote Tory the baw is burst. We have no choice. My hope is we succeed and they realise a better way can be found and demand the same. This isnt anti English, I love you twats, its anti Tory.

I know I'm on your side I think you should have voted out last time.

 

[Metal Biker]

Only those with nothing sensible or thoughful to say , yes I am.

What is there meaningful to say about Scottish Independence? You want to go, we want you gone. Or is it that y'all (having the meaning here if any and all who living in Scotland supporting independence. I feel the need to clarify this as you had difficulty last time :) ) are perturbed about the reality that many of those in England aren't as distressed about the thought of Scotland leaving as you'd hoped?

Could you give some wonderful examples that you personally feel you've contributed to the discussion that offers the insight you feel is missing? Might benefit the rest of us.

 

[Octavian]

Yes I think we get that mate. Lucky the southerners don’t take the same attitude with every other part of England though as they are all spongers too according to your rationale.

I bet you weren’t complaining when the oil revenues were rolling in though.

I thought you might have an Interesting insight into Scottish politics. Never mind, I will live with the disappointment.

When the oil revenues were rolling in I wasn’t slagging the Scottish off, living with a constant complex about them that’s unhealthy.

And the difference with the south east is I’m not slagging southerners off for making my life better for the revenues in London.

The only interest I have in Scottish politics is getting it out of UK politics and moving towards England and Wales being a separate state.

 

[Metal Biker]

No no, it’s the English who are prejudiced for being sick of Scottish prejudice towards us.

Careful, you'll get dragged for using a blanket term. Personally i'm loving the "I havent seen it, therefore it hasn't happened" brigade.

 

[blueparrot]

Reply to the part where independence would be 2/3 times worse than Brexit then?

You ignored that

Well here's the thing, I 'm not totally convinced independence is the best for Scotland, my vote would depend on many things, including assurances on EU membership or at least customs union and single market, as it did last time . It would depend on currency policy.
Its's based on the sustainable growth report being updated, even though I'm not sure of the original entirely. Most people will vote on those things too, they wil come to their own conclusions.
What I won't entertain is those accusations that supporters of independence base their opinions on a hate of the English and nothing else made by some posters including youself, because being English living in Scotland for 20 years I know for a fact it's not true

Read report — Sustainable Growth Commission

Scotland – the new case for optimism A strategy for inter-generational economic renaissance

www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot

 

[blueinsa]

Well here's the thing, I 'm not totally convinced independence is the best for Scotland, my vote would depend on many things, including assurances on EU membership or at least customs union and single market, as it did last time . It would depend on currency policy.
Its's based on the sustainable growth report being updated, even though I'm not sure of the original entirely. Most people will vote on those things too, they wil come to their own conclusions.
What I won't entertain is those accusations that supporters of independence base their opinions on a hate of the English and nothing else made by some posters including youself, because being English livig in Scotland for 20 years I know for a fact it's not true

Read report — Sustainable Growth Commission

Scotland – the new case for optimism A strategy for inter-generational economic renaissance

www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot

I voted for brexit. Huge mistake.

I want to know how an Independent Scotland will deal with the Scottish/English border and how we will trade post independence and even more so if Scotland becomes a member of the EU?

We can’t use borders as a reason to oppose an independence like remain did and the SNP did but then ignore the exact same question when it come to wanting your own independence.

Brexit was a mistake, a fuck up and politically and from a business point of view, a disaster.

Scottish independence will be the same for the same reasons imo because geographically it will throw up the exact same hurdles and obstacles.

 

[Octavian]

Well here's the thing, I 'm not totally convinced independence is the best for Scotland, my vote would depend on many things, including assurances on EU membership or at least customs union and single market, as it did last time . It would depend on currency policy.
Its's based on the sustainable growth report being updated, even though I'm not sure of the original entirely. Most people will vote on those things too, they wil come to their own conclusions.
What I won't entertain is those accusations that supporters of independence base their opinions on a hate of the English and nothing else made by some posters including youself, because being English living in Scotland for 20 years I know for a fact it's not true

Read report — Sustainable Growth Commission

Scotland – the new case for optimism A strategy for inter-generational economic renaissance

www.sustainablegrowthcommission.scot

I never said it’s the only reason, it’s the main reason as there isn’t an economic one!

I don’t care to be honest, just go is what I say.

 

[blueparrot]

I voted for brexit. Huge mistake.

I want to know how an Independent Scotland will deal with the Scottish/English border and how we will trade post independence and even more so if Scotland becomes a member of the EU?

We can’t use borders as a reason to oppose an independence like remain did and the SNP did but then ignore the exact same question when it come to wanting your own independence.

Brexit was a mistake, a fuck up and politically and from a business point of view, a disaster.

Scottish independence will be the same for the same reasons imo because geographically it will throw up the exact same hurdles and obstacles.

So would I, Without going over the Brexit arguments, I always thought the only possible way the N.Ireland / Ireland border could work was if the UK was in the customs union / single market. Thats where I beleive either under this government with a new P.M or the next the U.K will end up in a single market arrangement.
It would be easier for and Independant Scotland to work with England under those circumstances, on the other hand if the UK was in the single market I personally would be less likely to vote Yes.

 

[Magicpole]

I know I'm on your side I think you should have voted out last time.

I did.

 

[hilts]

I did.

Scotland in general