The Scottish Politics thread

[Rascal]

look at how NI is being treated. This government is really digging a hole for the Union. NI vote to stay in EU, NI gets dragged out of EU by Tories. NI gets favourable trading arrangements with EU and sees its economy growing at faster rate than any part of the UK other than London. Tory Government want to illegally torch the agreement they signed up to and described as ready baked and pull NI out of those trade arrangements. YCNMIU.

Such was the arrogance of Cameron that he did not consider for one minute the ramifications of the decision to hold a referendum and further to that plan for fucking losing it.

These Etonian fuckers are educated to believe they are infallible, that inbuilt self confidence means they cannot contemplate themselves being wrong.

As a nation, as a United Kingdom we deserve better than being governed by these self entitled fuckwits, They will destroy the Union, because they cannot admit they are wrong,

To be fair to Sturgeon, this is the perfect time for her to call this, Johnson is despised in Scotland, the Scots voted to remain, the only issue is that calling a referendum is a reserved power for Westminster, they can and probably will say NO to the Scots having a referendum. What happens then.......fuck knows, but it will be messy and could possibly lead to open rebellion if a referendum not sanctioned by Westminster was ignored.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Such was the arrogance of Cameron that he did not consider for one minute the ramifications of the decision to hold a referendum and further to that plan for fucking losing it.

These Etonian fuckers are educated to believe they are infallible, that inbuilt self confidence means they cannot contemplate themselves being wrong.

As a nation, as a United Kingdom we deserve better than being governed by these self entitled fuckwits, They will destroy the Union, because they cannot admit they are wrong,

To be fair to Sturgeon, this is the perfect time for her to call this, Johnson is despised in Scotland, the Scots voted to remain, the only issue is that calling a referendum is a reserved power for Westminster, they can and probably will say NO to the Scots having a referendum. What happens then.......fuck knows, but it will be messy and could possibly lead to open rebellion if a referendum not sanctioned by Westminster was ignored.

what she says she will do if the Supreme Court says no, is run in the next G election on a single policy. Independence. I would assume the Scottish Greens will do the same. If they win that in Scotland they will use it as a legal mandate. To be honest she has been quite cute in how she has pitched this and I think Johnson is faced with a lose,lose scenario. The major risk she runs is the polling in Scotland is still very close. She will be hoping that her campaign can sway the undecided and if Johnson continues being an arrogant **** (as if thats a question) that he will push voters her way too.

 

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Rhodesia declared independence in 1965......Scotland could easily do the same. (Another Tory F@ck up)

 

[Coatigan]

Your lucky then I guess. Trust me it's happening.

Or maybe your one friend that you are basing your whole arguement around, is very unlucky (and I do really I feel for him btw). That in addidtion to your own convictions.

It does happen, without a doubt. But as a whole, not common. And certainly the last 10 years have seen it far less than say 20 years ago. Not attributing that in any way to Nicola or her party btw, but the notion that this has risen out some non-existent rhetoric is off. There is a number of possible reasons, and I have thoughts.

It is a cultural not a political point and is based on a lot more experience than your anti nationalist from a distance stance. I also say it to give you some positive here, should you wish to consider it, not to argue fyi.

 

[Coatigan]

What's also noticeable according to our Scottish friends in Dunblane who don't vote SNP is that there is a rise in unpleasantness from some SNP supporters to other Scots who don't want Independence. I guess this stuff goes hand in hand with any nationalist agenda.

I could bet there is. Not experienced or seen it, but there's bound to be. Just as there is unpleasantness towards Brexit voters. And Remoaners. Snd trumpists, and old man-ists. State of the world unfortunately and a pretty poor one. The divides just seem to be so polar.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Or maybe your one friend that you are basing your whole arguement around, us very unlucky (and do really I feel for him btw). That in addidtion to your repeat narrative nothing can shift you from.

It does happen, withoutna doubt. But as a whole, not common. And certainly the last 10 years have seen it far less than say 20 years ago. Not attributing that in any way to Nicola or her party btw, but the notion that this has risen out some non-existent rhetoric is off. There is a number of possible reasons, and I have thoughts.

It is a cultural not a political point and is based on a lot more experience than your anti nationalist from a distance narrative. I also say it to give you some positive here, should you wish to consider it, not to argue fyi.

Are you saying Sturgeons agenda isn't causing division and nationalist ire and unpleasantness. That would probably be a first anywhere if that were the case.

You're right Brexit certainly caused this across the UK, and there is no reason to think it isn't happening north of the border to an extent due to Scottish nationalism. I post an example and some on here refuse to beleive it, I guess simply because it doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[blueparrot]

Are you saying Sturgeons agenda isn't causing division and nationalist ire and unpleasantness. That would probably be a first anywhere if that were the case.

You're right Brexit certainly caused this across the UK, and there is no reason to think it isn't happening north of the border to an extent due to Scottish nationalism. I post an example and some on here refuse to beleive it, I guess simply because it doesn't fit their narrative.

I'm saying that ,yes. I know people on both sides of the debate. I've had debates myself but no unpleasantness.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I'm saying that ,yes. I know people on both sides of the debate. I've had debates myself but no unpleasantness.

Well, I certainly haven't made up my post about our English friends experiences. He first told me last August and also brought it up last week when I was on bike touring trip with him. So you are incorrect I'm afraid.

 

[blueparrot]

Well, I certainly haven't made up my post about our English friends experiences. He first told me last August and also brought it up last week when I was on bike touring trip with him. So you are incorrect I'm afraid.

I 'm not saying he hasn't experienced it, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying it's rare, I'm also saying it isn't linked to Sturgeon announcing any referendum, as youssaying it happened in August shows. Most people can disagree and debate without any nationalist feeling creeping in. In fact I know English people argue for independence against unionist Scots.