The Scottish Politics thread

That would make a searching question to her. So, Nicola, First Minister and leader of the Scottish National Party, why in hells name are you fixated on Scottish Independence??
Fair point the only time I see her is when she going on and on about it, don’t actually hear about anything else from her, but also there has been Brexit since the last one but if they have another either way she should just go quietly
 
Fair point the only time I see her is when she going on and on about it, don’t actually hear about anything else from her, but also there has been Brexit since the last one but if they have another and Scotland still regain can she just fuck off and do Strictly or something.
She may well resign if she doesn’t carry this. Despite what you think, she is a very capable politician and has lead a left of centre government pretty well for the last few years. Like anyone in power for a prolonged period, she gets things wrong but her personal rating is pretty strong in Scotland. Her 47% approval rating is far stronger than any other party leader both in Scotland and England.
 
But if they keep voting remain they obviously don’t want it, or do you mean those in power who won’t listen to the people? Seems there’s a lot of that these days.
Yet the people of Scotland keep voting for a party that have always made it clear they would like to see an independent Scotland, that may have another referendum. So whether they want to vote for independence when asked, they would still prefer a SNP party governing them, whether they do or don't vote for independence in a referendum.
 
If there is a referendum prior to the next UK general election, I think it would be a shoo-in for independence. I think the only thing that would prevent a clear vote for independence would be a change from the UK being being a unitary state to becoming a federal state where each of the countries has control over a much wider range of powers. Key to this is that becoming a federal state would constitutionally prevent the federal government from arbitrarily withdrawing or changing any powers given to the individual countries based on the politics of the day. In that way Scotland (and Wales / NI) would effectively have its independence but would still be ultimately under UK sovereignty. I think that's the only way the UK can survive as a four nation country but even if that happened or was promised, the appalling way in which the country has been run in recent years would probably be enough to secure a vote for independence.

Sadly I think it's much more likely that Scotland will vote for full independence whenever it gets the chance and irrespective of who wins the next GE, and I also believe that longer term NI will unite with the republic - probably on a federal basis to appease the unionists.
 
She said legally there is no requirement, however morally there is a requirement that would be negotiated, as would a share of the national assets.
She can have the once pretty borough of Trafford and everything in it. Oh, and with a bit of hard bargaining on the part of HMG we might be able to offload Merseyside.
 
I’d love to see Sturgeons face if Scotland still voted remain, I personally don’t like her she’s just fixated on this, I’d love to see it go tits up just for her to fuck off. I personally couldn’t give a toss if it hapless but how many times should you keep having a referendum?

I'd like her to get her wish and for the Scots to fuck her off when election time comes around after the referendum. Let's be honest if they fail to get a leave vote off the ground the very next day they will launch another campaign to leave anyway.
 
If there is a referendum prior to the next UK general election, I think it would be a shoo-in for independence. I think the only thing that would prevent a clear vote for independence would be a change from the UK being being a unitary state to becoming a federal state where each of the countries has control over a much wider range of powers. Key to this is that becoming a federal state would constitutionally prevent the federal government from arbitrarily withdrawing or changing any powers given to the individual countries based on the politics of the day. In that way Scotland (and Wales / NI) would effectively have its independence but would still be ultimately under UK sovereignty. I think that's the only way the UK can survive as a four nation country but even if that happened or was promised, the appalling way in which the country has been run in recent years would probably be enough to secure a vote for independence.

Sadly I think it's much more likely that Scotland will vote for full independence whenever it gets the chance and irrespective of who wins the next GE, and I also believe that longer term NI will unite with the republic - probably on a federal basis to appease the unionists.
Correct. Even if labour are elected they still want to continue with the failed Brexit economic model for fear of frightening the electorate. Cowardly in the extreme.
 
She has one big question and issue to answer and solve and that is, the border with England once an independent Scotland is in the EU.

It’s NI all over again and not because folk are being twats but because of EU rules as those of us who thought brexit wouldn’t be an issue have found out.

It’s no good putting you fingers in your ears shouting lalala, it will all be fine because we have seen, it just won’t.

Not negative as I’m of the mind to see Scotland go it alone and be successful because of the Westminster rot but let’s not get suckered into brexit 2.0 just with a different set of players.
 
She has one big question and issue to answer and solve and that is, the border with England once an independent Scotland is in the EU.

It’s NI all over again and not because folk are being twats but because of EU rules as those of us who thought brexit wouldn’t be an issue have found out.

It’s no good putting you fingers in your ears shouting lalala, it will all be fine because we have seen, it just won’t.

Not negative as I’m of the mind to see Scotland go it alone and be successful because of the Westminster rot but let’s not get suckered into brexit 2.0 just with a different set of players.
Spot on.
 
She has one big question and issue to answer and solve and that is, the border with England once an independent Scotland is in the EU.

It’s NI all over again and not because folk are being twats but because of EU rules as those of us who thought brexit wouldn’t be an issue have found out.

It’s no good putting you fingers in your ears shouting lalala, it will all be fine because we have seen, it just won’t.

Not negative as I’m of the mind to see Scotland go it alone and be successful because of the Westminster rot but let’s not get suckered into brexit 2.0 just with a different set of players.
It is the biggest issue, I suspect they would answer the border would be similar to the border in Irelan/ N. Ireland / GB. I agree it's a border that doesn't work, however it would be difficult for the Tories to argue that it doesn't work as they keep telling us it can.
All that said I beleive at some point sooner rather than later the UK government will have to concede the only way the border problems with Ireland can be fixed would be for the UK to join the single market. When that happens the Scottish English border issues would be solved too.
 

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