The Scottish Politics thread

Sorry, but that is complete nonsense and you know it.

Whether it has sense or not as a movement, fair enough, i can see how that is up for interpretation and opinion. The rest though, just plain wrong.

There’s obviously huge differences in how they behave, the structure, the violence, the fact the SNP is actually a political party with some respect behind it but it’s the same area of nationalist politics. The EDL want the English identity to be saved from brown people and the SNP want Scotland saved from the English, more specifically English politics.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have the SNP over for tea but it’s the same area of politics I dislike, that’s my point.
 
Unfortunately there isn't a good answer.
Given the way the Tories have handled COVID-19 and the potential for Brexit to go very badly, Scotland rallying around Labour would be it very interesting.

Especially if Starmer can appeal to moderate Tories, the kind who leant Blair their vote in the 90’s/00’s.
 
aw are you upset that I happen to think Sturgeon is a politician that will do anything to get some headlines. Like most politicians I might add. Get a grip for goodness sake.
Labour led policy, by MSP Monica Lennon over the last 3 years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.
 
You are bang on about that divide, i have been stressing this every now and again. And how big it is getting. And if this thread is even a teeny sampler, comments like we pay for your perks, if it was up to england you'd be independent etc. show it, i actually can't off the top of my head think of any nationalistc jibes from any of the scottish posters here, notbin a while anywlway. Yes ok we can debate whose oil it is (i don'treally care about the oil tbf), that it is a nation not a region etc, but that f.u. sentiment, is pretty damn one sided.

Brexit has very much sped that up, not just in difference, but in the buoyant attitudes that have become acceptable commonplace. Indyref started it coming out to the surface. I would like to think most of those making such remarks didnt think that way pre 2014, but who knows. Either way, pretty damn entrenched now. Whereas, from how i understand what i read, many of the scot posters still seem to have some degree of flexibility and room to make minds up.

I myself feel that, economy, politics and technicalities aside, socially and culturally, the differences are so vast now that i genuinely can't see a way back, the way things are going. Both politicians also tapping into this and using these ideals to sell themselves and get numbers behind them doesn't help any. Nicola knows fine well she is winning votes by policies that care for all parts of society of any background, because people welcome that. Boris similarly has made a point of prioritising those who 'feel left behind' or think 'that they deserve more'. It's not like people don't see through that. Thing is, with nicola, i take it as a bit less cynical, as she has at least been a lefty activist all her life. With boris, i see it as opportunism, like his two letters on brexit.

It isn't in the slightest bit pleasant, typing the above btw, and this divide is certainly not one thing i like at all.

Good post fella I hope people don’t move from historical taking the piss out of each other into something more unpleasant. Unfortunately I’m pretty sure it will happen. The U.K. has never been so obviously divided and that is also within each country individually.
 
Labour led policy, by MSP Monica Lennon over the last 3 years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.
No agenda here pal. Thanks for the info by the way. I dont particularly like any politicians. Sturgeon is little different to many others.
 
I myself feel that socially and culturally, the differences are so vast now that i genuinely can't see a way back, the way things are going. Both politicians also tapping into this and using these ideals to sell themselves and get numbers behind them doesn't help any. Nicola knows fine well she is winning votes by policies that care for all parts of society of any background, because people welcome that. Boris similarly has made a point of prioritising those who 'feel left behind' or think 'that they deserve more'. It's not like people don't see through that. Thing is, with nicola, i take it as a bit less cynical, as she has at least been a lefty activist all her life. With boris, i see it as opportunism, like his two letters on brexit.

It isn't in the slightest bit pleasant, typing the above btw, and this divide is certainly not one thing i like at all.

I don't understand how a Manchester City supporting Scot can think there's such a huge cultural divide between the two nations.
 
So I cant speak for the SNP because I am not a member and have only voted for them once in my lifetime.

There is a myth though that Scottish Nationalism is all about anti english sentiment and from my perspective it really isn't. Its simply the ability to make our own rules, our own mistakes and have an elected parliament that has the mandate of the Scottish people. Thats it.

There may be a loony minority who dislike everything English and that toad Alec Salmon was in that camp imo. But there are loonies and racists in every country in the world and we are no different. That is in no way representative of the way the vast majority of Scots think.
 

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