The Scottish Politics thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter mat
  • Start date Start date
Saddleworth2 said:
In what way mate? You mean renewable energy? We are already pretty good at that.
Click to expand...

Scotland has one of the highest levels of precipitation in Europe, and within thirty years there is going to be increased demand for it in neighboring countries and further afield, either to drink or grow food with. As a wise man once said, “When the well is dry, we know the worth of water.”
 
Coatigan said:
Haha, you took the bait, the obsessed 'we pay for your tampons' brigade is out again with their implied false gripes.

'Aw, nicola took 20% of my wages, becase she hates the english'. Used to annoy me, now I can only laugh.


(in fairness, the first comment was right, it IS paid for by the formula, and you could argue it IS wonderful. But the second one shows the intended stir)
Click to expand...
the Barnett formulae is applied to all regions of the U.K. as he knows. We have a similar conversation every six weeks or so. It always ends with a lol which to me shows the level of intellect being applied. By the way, why are our higher taxes not relevant? Are they not applied to our ‘excessive‘ expenditure?
 
Coatigan said:
Haha, you took the bait, the obsessed 'we pay for your tampons' brigade is out again with their implied false gripes.

'Aw, nicola took 20% of my wages, becase she hates the english'. Used to annoy me, now I can only laugh.


(in fairness, the first comment was right, it IS paid for by the formula, and you could argue it IS wonderful. But the second one shows the intended stir)
Click to expand...
No intended stir, Saddleworth and I have debated this issue many times. He knows my stance which is as long as Scotland remains part of the UK, UK wealth should be divided equally on a needs basis not a political one. Saddleworth dissagees with this statement.

A national health service should be precisely that a national service with uniform rates of pay for all staff. The SNP are using the extra block grant money from the UK as a vote winner in the run up to Scottish elections. I personally dont feel that is correct.

If and when Scotland becomes independent the SNP can spend whatever they deem on Scotland and its people. But until that day expenditure should be fair for all those within the UK. Be it the English Regions, Wales, NI or Scotland.

For context the Scottish block grant has been increased by over £8b by the UK government since Covid, and this doesnt include the UK backed business loans or the furlough scheme. The extra revenue raised by the higher income tax in Scotland ammounts to £40m annually.
 
Last edited:
Saddleworth2 said:
the Barnett formulae is applied to all regions of the U.K. as he knows. We have a similar conversation every six weeks or so. It always ends with a lol which to me shows the level of intellect being applied. By the way, why are our higher taxes not relevant? Are they not applied to our ‘excessive‘ expenditure?
Click to expand...
They are relvant but you should not forget that they raise a fraction of your expenditure. To think otherwise is to fall for the SNPs propaganda.

Why are you so against equal expenditure on a needs basis for all peoples of the UK?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
No intended stir, Saddleworth and I have debated this issue many times. He knows my stance which is as long as Scotland remains part of the UK, UK wealth should be divided equally on a needs basis not a political one. Saddleworth dissagees with this statement.

A national health service should be precisely that a national service with uniform rates of pay for all staff. The SNP are using the extra block grant money from the UK as a vote winner in the run up to Scottish elections. I personally dont feel that is correct.

If and when Scotland becomes independent the SNP can spend whatever they deem on Scotland and its people. But until that day expenditure should be fair for all those within the UK. Be it the English Regions, Wales, NI or Scotland.

For context the Scottish block grant has been increased by over £8b by the UK government since Covid, and this doesnt include the UK backed business loans or the furlough scheme. The extra revenue raised by the higher income tax in Scotland ammounts to £40m annually.
Click to expand...

Sorry. Not taking the bait.

It is nonsense and you know it. It just isnt true, it is something you have fabricated an interpretation of and will repeat it. Just like your imaginary anti english agenda and discrimination claims.

I've previously reaponded, in good faith, neither of us will say anything new. Really is no point.

I've edited my post as well to take out the terse facetious jibe of my own.
 
I would just like to add that although im not a signed up member of the Nicola Sturgeon SNP fan club, this clearly isnt her fault. You cant blame her for using what's available as a political tool. The blame should lie at the foot of successive UK governments who now feel that are unable to right an obvious wrong as they may lose votes north of the border. Cameron promising further UK money north of the border in 2014 to stop a Scottish independent yes vote was appalling.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They are relvant but you should not forget that they raise a fraction of your expenditure. To think otherwise is to fall for the SNPs propaganda.

Why are you so against equal expenditure on a needs basis for all peoples of the UK?
Click to expand...
equal expenditure = every person gets the same expenditure per head. 'Needs basis' does not mean that. Which of those two things are you advocating?
 
Coatigan said:
Sorry. Not taking the bait.

It is nonsense and you know it. It just isnt true, it is something you have fabricated an interpretation of and will repeat it. Just like your imaginary anti english agenda and discrimination claims.

I've previously reaponded, in good faith, neither of us will say anything new. Really is no point.

I've edited my post as well to take out the terse facetious jibe of my own.
Click to expand...
What isn't true, The Barnette formula the extra tax revenue?

Perhaps you should write to the academics at the University of Strathclyde and tell them they are wrong?

fraserofallander.org

Higher income taxes and public spending in Scotland? | FAI

Since February’s Budget, there has been discussion about income tax in Scotland and public spending. Oddly, the debate was sparked by adverts – rather good ones we might add! – on the Tube promoting…
fraserofallander.org fraserofallander.org
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They are relvant but you should not forget that they raise a fraction of your expenditure. To think otherwise is to fall for the SNPs propaganda.

Why are you so against equal expenditure on a needs basis for all peoples of the UK?
Click to expand...
I can't speak for the Scots, but I'd imagine it has something to do with where the Tories spent the recent 'levelling up' money and their viewpoint that the constituencies most 'in need' are wealthy home counties Tory voting consituencies.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
No I don't. I will if you simply answer the question I asked. Needs basis does not equal the same amount of grant per head. Which is it?
Click to expand...
Needs based, Ie the same level of services available to all peoples of the UK. based on your needs not where you live. So if you live in Brora , land of giant killers ! you get the same level of financial support and services as the people who live in Oldham, Hackney, Antrim or Rhyl. As long as those people have the same personal income. I find it hard to see how anyone can argue against such a system.
 
aguero93:20 said:
I can't speak for the Scots, but I'd imagine it has something to do with where the Tories spent the recent 'levelling up' money and their viewpoint that the constituencies most 'in need' are wealthy home counties Tory voting consituencies.
Click to expand...
Not recent mate. They have been closing down our industries and pissing oil against the wall for decades. We now pay much more in UK debt interest than we get as our 'share' of north sea oil revenues.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top