Not sure how the vote works now, thought it was against Yousaf, so now he’s stepping down and don’t know who the vote is against can you still hold it ? If it’s against the government then the smaller parties don’t know what deals are on the table.I think possibly the Torries have forced a vote of no confidence just to make the SNP look even more chaotic than they are with even more negatove headlines? Doubt they would get a bounce at present. But I also agree I can't see people jumping to the Tories anywhere in the UK at present.
Wasnt it just against him, if so has he avoided it by just stepping down?Not sure how the vote works now, thought it was against Yousaf, so now he’s stepping down and don’t know who the vote is against can you still hold it ? If it’s against the government then the smaller parties don’t know what deals are on the table.
I think possibly the Torries have forced a vote of no confidence just to make the SNP look even more chaotic than they are with even more negatove headlines? Doubt they would get a bounce at present. But I also agree I can't see people jumping to the Tories anywhere in the UK at present.
Didn’t some English dude chop it down last year?It is still there, is it not?
The rest of the UK? You keep saying that when you know it’s wrong. Scotland is not subsidised by Wales, NI, NW England or any other damn region other than London and the SE. Even those two regions are in deficit based on the most recent figures.The other 10% is subsidised by the rest of the UK.
Lol, Nonsense and you know it. London and the SE is part of England. And Its essentially England that gives the extra revenue to Scotland. London Surrey etc is not a country is it ?The rest of the UK? You keep saying that when you know it’s wrong. Scotland is not subsidised by Wales, NI, NW England or any other damn region other than London and the SE. Even those two regions are in deficit based on the most recent figures.
Any thinking person can simply refer to Gers and see for themselves. Might spoil the popular bigoted nonsense that gets spouted increasingly on this thread though.Lol, Nonsense and you know it. London and the SE is part of England. And Its essentially England that gives the extra revenue to Scotland. LondSurrey etc is not a country is it ?
Give it up Saddleworth, you're looking particularly silly trying to use this argument. So much so, that despite me enjoying our debates, I can add no more to this one, so you are on your own if you can't grasp or accept the above simple facts. Good night.
They are distracting from their own shitebaggery. Douglas Ross is an opportunistic grifting simpleton who any half decent politician would wipe the floor with. No Scottish party has a decent leader, mediocrity isn’t just at Westminster.Don’t get why the tories would support a no confidence, to force an election in Scotland they can’t win and would lose seats. As for Labour they were in a decent position going into the GE, they still are but forcing Yousaf out may give the SNP a bounce that reduces that advantage a bit.
You pay a little more towards it through your tax. But you (Scotland) still only support 90% of your own budget. The other 10% is subsidised by the rest of the UK. I guess that is even more reason to be annoyed, you get more money but in your opinion worse services?
I would dispute the last point, as so many of the progressive policies favoured by Saddleworth are seemingly unaffordable south of the border.
So true. The sad thing is, none of them really need one. Positions for the most part are entrenched and won't shift significantly and they all are happy to ride on that and just find any muppet that knows how to posture to the audiences.They are distracting from their own shitebaggery. Douglas Ross is an opportunistic grifting simpleton who any half decent politician would wipe the floor with. No Scottish party has a decent leader, mediocrity isn’t just at Westminster.
Whichever way you spin it, even with the oil revenue you don't raise the revenue to cover what you spend. The gap , the 10%, is covered by the UK as a whole. It is what it is, why do you hate it?I always hate this argument and avoid or dismiss it as long as I can. For that 10% you are so obsessed with, we contribute 25% more in overall revenue (from oil etc). So for every pound we get that you get 90p for, we send down £1.25. Where does it all go? Fuck knows, before brexit we were told the EU. Or to put it another way, for every 90p you get, you only pay 78p. Your 'we pay for your tampons' arguement is based on a one sided assumption. That all the oil and revenue is 'yours' but any or all of the spending and deficit is 'ours'. But it doesn't work like that. And it sure as fuck isn't unionistic. I can't believe you can't see the irony of passing judgement on nationalism, with a stance like that.
Whichever way you spin it, even with the oil revenue you don't raise the revenue to cover what you spend. The gap , the 10%, is covered by the UK as a whole. It is what it is, why do you hate it?
I initially raised it because Saddleworth was extolling the virtues of the SNPs progressive policies. I pointed out that they don't come free and you wouldn't have them without the union.
He's a decent poster, when he's not throwing out silly jibes about bigots and the English wanting to keep hold of the colonial past. He freely admits he would choose independence even if it meant less expenditure, I fully respect that.
My stance is if Scotland vote for independence then fine by me, it will be a sad day I supose as the nationalist rhetoric will have won over and I think we are as close as countries can be with each still holding on to their identity.
But until that day if it comes, I believe the UK tax revenue should be split as fairly as possible and not used to subsidise one part over another for whatever political reason.
FWIW I love your country and its people, ive spent more holidays up there than any other part of the UK and a long time ago we tried living in Scotland, sadly unsuccessfully. So theres certainly no bigotry on my part. Anyway I've said enough about this now as I have previously and fear im derailing the thread and boring everyone. So have a good day.
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Surely the SNP have reached the end of their useful life? As a governing party, the members of which, only really have one thing in common, they are in exactly the same boat as the Tory government in Westminster, hence they are both absolute disasters.Would it really be so bad if Swinney took on the role? Don't really think I'd have much of an issue with it.
He is weak as dishwater.Would it really be so bad if Swinney took on the role? Don't really think I'd have much of an issue with it.
He is weak as dishwater.
But I should say a nice and decent man.
Surely the SNP have reached the end of their useful life? As a governing party, the members of which, only really have one thing in common, they are in exactly the same boat as the Tory government in Westminster, hence they are both absolute disasters.
For the SNP, independence is the only uniting factor of their MSP’s and, for the Tories, it is some form of Brexit/British exceptionalism. These single points of ‘belief’ just lead to bad governance, bad government and an inability to find a balance to put the country and it’s people before the party. To be fair, the Tories have always put their party first and it seems the SNP are in exactly the same boat, which is a shame, although was probably always inevitable.
A cautionary tale of what happens when you let a load of protestors have a stab at running a country.