The Stench of Tory

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

By which you seem to imply Labour are socialist well they are not. And the left wingers on hear will vote Labour which many won't. Probably the only reason the voters will vote Labour is to get this mob out. They are the lowest quality government I can remember. Not even talking policy (which could be talked about) just the quality of their way of working, way of selling an argument, way of representation, way if presentation..... They are really amateur! And Labour are similar. We have such low quality professional politicians it's unbelievable! This is where Brands "don't vote" thing comes in .... What is there to vote for? I expect a very low turn out despite the hype this time. You watch them blame Brand. They will never dream to think....... Hold on..... Are we up to standard. It's actually like 4th division level politics. Very poor!

I completely agree with you about the truly lamentable standard of politicians in this country today. When you look back at some of the intellectual heavyweights across the political spectrum in days gone by it really is quite depressing casting your eyes upon the collection of anodyne career politicians that comprise most of our MP's, many of whom have never had a job outside politics. What sort of boring c**t do you have to be to have had a working life like that?

I think the biggest issue is actually the salary
The brightest minds of the country are far more likely to be attracted by the much higher salaries available in different sectors than politics
Basic pay for MPs is £67k before taxation and expenses fiddling is taken into account.Why would any reasonably intelligent person want to put up with all the shit that comes with the job for that?
If we reduced the number of MPs and made it a job to be coveted,perhaps we then wouldnt have to put up with fuckwits like Neil Hamilton or Ed Balls?

 

[EalingBlue2]

By which you seem to imply Labour are socialist well they are not. And the left wingers on hear will vote Labour which many won't. Probably the only reason the voters will vote Labour is to get this mob out. They are the lowest quality government I can remember. Not even talking policy (which could be talked about) just the quality of their way of working, way of selling an argument, way of representation, way if presentation..... They are really amateur! And Labour are similar. We have such low quality professional politicians it's unbelievable! This is where Brands "don't vote" thing comes in .... What is there to vote for? I expect a very low turn out despite the hype this time. You watch them blame Brand. They will never dream to think....... Hold on..... Are we up to standard. It's actually like 4th division level politics. Very poor!

I completely agree with you about the truly lamentable standard of politicians in this country today. When you look back at some of the intellectual heavyweights across the political spectrum in days gone by it really is quite depressing casting your eyes upon the collection of anodyne career politicians that comprise most of our MP's, many of whom have never had a job outside politics. What sort of boring c**t do you have to be to have had a working life like that?

I think the biggest issue is actually the salary
The brightest minds of the country are far more likely to be attracted by the much higher salaries available in different sectors than politics
Basic pay for MPs is £67k before taxation and expenses fiddling is taken into account.Why would any reasonably intelligent person want to put up with all the shit that comes with the job for that?
If we reduced the number of MPs and made it a job to be coveted,perhaps we then wouldnt have to put up with fuckwits like Neil Hamilton or Ed Balls?

It maybe salary but a lot are in it for power not money and many who I have met (I admittedly am going back to the 90's) on both sides were in it for the right reasons but......

The vast majority of the media and the populous are hopelessly short term focused and there is no room for even a small cock up, interesting opinions, a slip of the tongue or any form of personal indiscretion. Everybody is being watched, recorded , scrutinised 24 hours of every day. Today people like Churchill and Lloyd George would have been forced to resign or fester on the back benches for their behaviour and opinions. Also the electorate generally is much more materialistic, much more short term and much more individualistic than it used to be in the past. Big intellectual transforming politicians are not liked, look at ukip , Farage builds his whole image on being a down to Earth, pretty thick, moaning oaf down the pub and people like it! He prides himself on not even reading his own manifesto FFS.

It's very sad and it is far froma British problem - believe me the clowns in australia are worse- much worse. Toby Abbott makes Cameron look a political giant!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

By which you seem to imply Labour are socialist well they are not. And the left wingers on hear will vote Labour which many won't. Probably the only reason the voters will vote Labour is to get this mob out. They are the lowest quality government I can remember. Not even talking policy (which could be talked about) just the quality of their way of working, way of selling an argument, way of representation, way if presentation..... They are really amateur! And Labour are similar. We have such low quality professional politicians it's unbelievable! This is where Brands "don't vote" thing comes in .... What is there to vote for? I expect a very low turn out despite the hype this time. You watch them blame Brand. They will never dream to think....... Hold on..... Are we up to standard. It's actually like 4th division level politics. Very poor!

I completely agree with you about the truly lamentable standard of politicians in this country today. When you look back at some of the intellectual heavyweights across the political spectrum in days gone by it really is quite depressing casting your eyes upon the collection of anodyne career politicians that comprise most of our MP's, many of whom have never had a job outside politics. What sort of boring c**t do you have to be to have had a working life like that?

I think the biggest issue is actually the salary
The brightest minds of the country are far more likely to be attracted by the much higher salaries available in different sectors than politics
Basic pay for MPs is £67k before taxation and expenses fiddling is taken into account.Why would any reasonably intelligent person want to put up with all the shit that comes with the job for that?
If we reduced the number of MPs and made it a job to be coveted,perhaps we then wouldnt have to put up with fuckwits like Neil Hamilton or Ed Balls?

I think one possible solution is to raise the minimum age for MP's to 40. I also think if you made MP's independent from political parties by statute you'd get a much higher caliber of person going into the job. One of the main reasons people talk up the first past the post system is that it gives all of us a representative in parliament, but that is just an illusion. MP's don't vote for the best interests of their constituents the vast majority of the time; they vote the way their party tells them to: their future careers depend on it. The suggestion that MP's vote with their constituents best interests in their mind is a complete lie: thus rendering our political system to be a mirage. It'll never happen of course. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, but a House of Parliament with truly independent MP's (as they are theoretically supposed to be) voting in the best interests of their constituents (with an upper house comprised of politicians affiliated to political parties) would be much more democratic, attract a much higher quality of person to the job and would make this country a better place to live. Like I said, it won't happen though.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think the biggest issue is Big intellectual transforming politicians are not liked, look at ukip , Farage builds his whole image on being a down to Earth, pretty thick, moaning oaf down the pub and people like it! He prides himself on not even reading his own manifesto FFS.

Funnily enough, that's one of the things I find most unattractive about Farage. People who moan all the time are so fucking dull and tiresome.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I think the biggest issue is Big intellectual transforming politicians are not liked, look at ukip , Farage builds his whole image on being a down to Earth, pretty thick, moaning oaf down the pub and people like it! He prides himself on not even reading his own manifesto FFS.

Funnily enough, that's one of the things I find most unattractive about Farage. People who moan all the time are so fucking dull and tiresome.

Couldn't agree more it is do Daily Mail but many do. Maybe you aren't the target UKIP voter, you're iq comfortably over 110 - and too smug to suffer too much envy ;-)
The way he does everything is so contrived and so stereotyped!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

and too smug to suffer too much envy ;-)

Haha! So true!

 

[Len Rum]

Having read this thread I find it astounding that the left wingers on this forum have the audacity to call the right wingers nut jobs!

The left wingers on this forum seem to have panicked into going on to the offensive (in all senses of the word) as the impending Election is drawing closer

I feel it is indicative of the fact ,that they are beginning to realize, that the labour party under the leadership Milliband is going to cost them the chance of power for another five years.

Really?
Working arrangement between Ed and the Jocks looks to be on the cards.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Having read this thread I find it astounding that the left wingers on this forum have the audacity to call the right wingers nut jobs!

The left wingers on this forum seem to have panicked into going on to the offensive (in all senses of the word) as the impending Election is drawing closer

I feel it is indicative of the fact ,that they are beginning to realize, that the labour party under the leadership Milliband is going to cost them the chance of power for another five years.

Really?
Working arrangement between Ed and the Jocks looks to be on the cards.

Seems that way, the Tories are down to their core vote, they've not won an outright majority since 1992 and they won't get one this time, they mght, just might, be the single biggest party, but who will ally with them? The Liberal Democrats? Unlikely, and even if they did it will not be enough for a working majority.

I'm still hoping that at least some Scots will drift back in to the Labour camp on the day, but the signs are not good with a pretty solid 20% lead for the SNP north of the border.

Either way there is a scenario where Labour, the SNP and the Lib Dems cobble together a confidence and supply deal, I struggle to see any combination for the Tories.

 

[brass neck]

I know he isn't everyone's cup of tea but listen to the quality of delivery from Michael Foot here. Both light and serious. Would ONE mainstream career politician who flops around the commons presently, BlackBerry in hand waiting on the latest sound bite to be spun out or waiting on voting instructions from on high be capable of this sort of delivery? I think not. Our present great orators are considered to be nutjobs or mavericks! They are shouted down by the career lot in their sharp suits and not given proper air time. It's really pisss poor.

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[RabidCity]

The tories have impressed me in the past few years, they've made the tough decisions the UK needed while Labour floundered with unfounded criticism in the wings, claiming to do everything differently despite the Tory success.

The economy is stronger than ever, unemployment lower than ever, finally we are targetting/capping benefits for those who draw on ridiculous amounts, deficit is at it's lowest point in recent years and there is a clear plan to reduce it further

I can't see why anyone would vote any other way but for Cameron