The Stench of Tory

[SWP's back]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

High taxes pushes the successful away to foreign climbs.

 

[Bill]

By the same logic everyone should pay something

no one should be able to live totally off handouts. Fairness dictates that you must put in before you can take out and that is also a basic morality that the left wing seem to conveniently ignore

on the fucking money.

not one able bodied person would get a fucking bean off me unless at some time they had paid something in. not a bean.

So when they rob your house for something to eat, you would be happy?

so they want free money or they take someone elses. yeh that just about sums up a cadger.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

It's also right to say that significant numbers of French top earners are now ensconced in London as a result of the above.

Thousands of them Gord, all paying large amounts of lovely tax into our coffers instead of their home country.
So what's so great about this 'Socialism' then? If we are mad enough to embrace the same system, these Gallic high earners will merely decamp back to La Belle France, (once the wanna be commie has been removed and replaced by someone more sensible) and their money will go with them.
I've seen it all in my time, with 83% tax rates on high earners, rising to 98%, believe it or not, and the result was total disaster, we still had to visit the IMF before we collapsed completely. I know it must be hard seeing wealthy folk and people at the bottom end, but nobody ever made the poor rich by making the rich poor, it's never worked and never will.

London is the sixth largest city in France by population. And all the ones in London are, as you said, the top earners. Vive la revolution ;-)

 

[law74]

It's also right to say that significant numbers of French top earners are now ensconced in London as a result of the above.

Thousands of them Gord, all paying large amounts of lovely tax into our coffers instead of their home country.
So what's so great about this 'Socialism' then? If we are mad enough to embrace the same system, these Gallic high earners will merely decamp back to La Belle France, (once the wanna be commie has been removed and replaced by someone more sensible) and their money will go with them.
I've seen it all in my time, with 83% tax rates on high earners, rising to 98%, believe it or not, and the result was total disaster, we still had to visit the IMF before we collapsed completely. I know it must be hard seeing wealthy folk and people at the bottom end, but nobody ever made the poor rich by making the rich poor, it's never worked and never will.

London is the sixth largest city in France by population. And all the ones in London are, as you said, the top earners. Vive la revolution ;-)

so are the tories still against immigration?

 

[EalingBlue2]

Yes. And you never "rightys" asking WHY young girls have low expectations and are undereducated and desperate for love, attention, family etc. It's like you only hear them snearing at the addicted, saying it's some sort of weakness, never once questioning why people eat junk, take drugs, drink themselves silly like Winston Churchill did!!!! The right are into personalizing blame.

Maybe if there was good, respectful, fairly paid, regulated mass employment around, maybe, maybe just our underclass may start to feel a bit more like work is fucckin worth while instead of being lectured to by the likes of Ian Duncan fookin Smith who as well as owning his own propertie, has the luxury of living rent free in his wife's families Georgian country house estate, which over the past ten years, it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers

I am with you if girls are getting pregnant at 13 as this is the only way they see they can get something or have a hope in life then I blame society far more than I blame them. People sneer and say they should go out and get jobs, the trouble is many haven't had a parent who has worked or taught them any sense of right and wrong and they haven't got the skills or education for it as society has failed them. Meanwhile people who have been given every opportunity by their upbringing, education and society sneer at the unfortunate and moan they are paying too much after being given everything .

It reads like a social workers mantra
Generations of bone-idle scroungers blaming the system like a badge of honour,it's pretty disgusting
There will be many of us just on this forum from council estates who left school at 16 with no qualifications whatsoever but got on through hard work
This sob story about no fairly paid jobs being available to those who choose to be the underclass is just bullshit,nothing more and nothing less

Can I ask you did you come from a background of generations of scroungers, did your parents never work, did you have drugs, malnutrition, abuse to deal with? Some people come through this with a miraculous work ethic but very few.

How exactly do you expect kids to learn how to deal emotionally with challenge, to learn to get a job, to keep a job , to be a constructive part of society etc if they never see a positive role model. Does this just come without teaching. This is not about poverty but about upbringing as many people get fantastic upbringings without wealth and many others have wealth and shit parents.

Many kids grow up with none of this and a shit school and I am amazed how many people them blame these kids for their upbringing. It disgusts me how little sympathy people have for people who have been dealt absolutely shit cards in life. I am not advocating people who have been dealt a pair of kings and whinge being helped for life but if you get dealt 2/3 off suit constantly I think you need help.

I have never had benefits for a day, pay a lot of tax but I am self aware enough to know I was dealt a good hand from the education I got, my parents and family etc and dont begrudge at all paying back to a society that has given me so much.

As for these bludgers, if Thatcher and Murdoch hadn't spent so much time destroying industry, demonising them and making poverty and social disadvantage a stigma to be derided , maybe there would still be jobs and self esteem for a group of people who were the backbone of this country and the hardest working people around.

 

[worsleyweb]

There are plenty of jobs. It's all about attitude and application. Going on about thatcher closing down mines is a nonsense. The world has changed.

Anything but a Tory vote would be hugely detrimental to manchesters economy.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Thousands of them Gord, all paying large amounts of lovely tax into our coffers instead of their home country.
So what's so great about this 'Socialism' then? If we are mad enough to embrace the same system, these Gallic high earners will merely decamp back to La Belle France, (once the wanna be commie has been removed and replaced by someone more sensible) and their money will go with them.
I've seen it all in my time, with 83% tax rates on high earners, rising to 98%, believe it or not, and the result was total disaster, we still had to visit the IMF before we collapsed completely. I know it must be hard seeing wealthy folk and people at the bottom end, but nobody ever made the poor rich by making the rich poor, it's never worked and never will.

London is the sixth largest city in France by population. And all the ones in London are, as you said, the top earners. Vive la revolution ;-)

so are the tories still against immigration?

I don't think anyone was against immigration they were against non wealthy less able people becoming immigrants . Only the priveledged should be entitled to seek new opportunities abroad and be entitled to better themselves. Poor or less educated types should know their place and stay where they came from.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

London is the sixth largest city in France by population. And all the ones in London are, as you said, the top earners. Vive la revolution ;-)

so are the tories still against immigration?

I don't think anyone was against immigration they were against non wealthy less able people becoming immigrants . Only the priveledged should be entitled to seek new opportunities abroad and be entitled to better themselves. Poor or less educated types should know their place and stay where they came from.

They are not immigrants. They just reside here and work in France

 

[brass neck]

Yeah. There's plenty of jobs out there..... Just as long as 6.50 per hour on a 7 hour contract is suitable. Then you can ask the tax payer to top your wage up and watch as your privately educated boss drives off in his merc. Sorry to bang on about injustice but we are being had.

How about a job at NEXT btw?
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[foxy]

Yeah. There's plenty of jobs out there..... Just as long as 6.50 per hour on a 7 hour contract is suitable. Then you can ask the tax payer to top your wage up and watch as your privately educated boss drives off in his merc. Sorry to bang on about injustice but we are being had.

How about a job at NEXT btw?
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Great attitude for people who see jobs as beneath them. Myself and every hard working person I know started off working in similar roles on similar pay and it pays a hell of a lot better than JSA and there's nothing stopping you form applying for other jobs elsewhere. It's the shitty attitude of British people where they think they're too good for certain work.