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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%

  • Total voters
    2,063
I don't see this as an irreparable situation for our owner/chairman, if there is the possibility to pull out of this deal and they do that, for two reasons.

1) This was not driven by our ownership's/management's greed. I can still look at it logically, our owner has invested a lot of money and along with Khaldoon and the rest of club's hard work, they've come a long way. They don't want to suddenly have the club left out in the cold(and go backwards), so I do understand to certain degree. I'm sure the ESL is the last thing they wanted to see because they don't actually need it(that for me is the soundest logic). There are a minority of fans willing to get on board with it for similar reasons, it's fear and uncertainty, not because they want a ESL. There would be a much longer road back if it was solely driven by greed and power-lust. So I hope the usual moral crusaders among the press will be asking lots of questions to United and Liverpool fans, in respect of that, in the coming months and years. How Henry and the Glazers got off so lightly with the Project Big Picture plans, because of their reluctance to single them out, makes me think they will just do the same things again though.

2) The CL itself has been heading the same way only much much slower, a closed shop. There's only so hurt you can be, unless you really have been burying your head in the sand for 20 years or more. I'm pissed of and disappointed too but there has to be some perspective once the dust has settled. It's already been unfair for many years but most of us still want City to win the CL all the same and the PL every year. Lets not act like football(the PL and the CL both) isn't already half way there.

So yeah, there definitely is a way back from this. City leading the way on ditching it, would be a big start.

All I want, is City to pull out of the deal publicly(if it's legally possible) and an admission that they made the wrong call/lost their nerve about being left behind to the fans(probably wont admit the latter). I'm not expecting Khaldoon or Sheikh Mansour to personally kiss the arse of every fan who felt let down about this, that's naive in my view.
 
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Let me get this right...

I’ll start with some facts.

Turnover 18/19
United $764M
City $655M
Liverpool $649M
Spurs $559M
Chelsea $550M
Arsenal $478M
West Ham $235M (7th)
Huddersfield $148M (last)

CL places awarded since PL inception 29 years ago = 96

Leicester (once)
Newcastle (3 times, once knocked out in preliminary round)
Everton (once, knocked out in preliminary round)
Leeds (twice)
Blackburn (once)

So the team placed 6th in turnover (Arsenal) have over twice the turnover of the team placed 7th (West Ham).

FFP is already here and stops clubs using external investment to compete with the big 6.

The CL places have gone to the same 6 teams 92% of the time (over 29 years) and the chances of that growing are high due to FFP. Only Leicester have got in (once) over the last ten years (or since FFP).

Now the same 6 teams want to play in the CL every year, if UEFA just gave the PL another 2 CL places nothing would be said, the outcome is the same.

People now want our major shareholder to leave and chairman sacked?

On top of this the corrupt leeches called UEFA lose a big chunk of money they siphon out of the game (the same corrupt organisation who tried to ban us from the competition and who we boo every game).

Their is a new governing body to be set up, and potential refereeing reforms I for one am desperate to see.

To win the current CL before changes you play 13 games to win it, ESL you’ll play 23. Means the league cup probably gets sacked off (probably good for smaller clubs).

People want to boycott City over this?!? What.The.Fuck.

tldr nothing has really changed other than the PL gets another 2 new CL places and people are losing their shit.

Is that it in a nutshell?
Yeah but it’s the closed shop that doesn’t sit well. The fact no club in the future can do what we did. It’s the drawbridge being pulled up behind us.
 
Agreed. There has to be an end-game that involves a compromise with UEFA that the "Dirty Dozen" had in mind from the beginning.

my impression is that a lot of the "legacy clubs" need huge amounts of cash now. Not in 2023 or whenever the new cl format - with higher prize money comes into play.

Covid gave those greedy yank sharks laying in the dark an once in a lifetime opportunity to make a franchise league of football - or soccer in this case.
 


Never thought I'd agree and support Boris on something, but here we are...

The sheer hypocrisy of a **** like Johnson sticking up for football fans after what he wrote about football fans at Hillsborough is astounding,

It is naked political opportunism, the Tory party have always treated the working class man's game like shit.

This is the party of the free market, a party whose libertarianism should be cheering the ESL to the rafters as an exceptional example of capitalism, instead they are quite prepared to dump all their principles and use direct state interventionism to save football. They make me fucking sick the cheeky cunts.

It is an obvious attempt to appeal for votes from towns where clubs would not be involved in the ESL, many of which are in former red wall constituencies.
 
I have a counter-proposal: Just let United, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, and Bayern Munich leave their respective leagues and set up a full-time 6-team super-league, where they just continually play each other from August to May. In May, after everyone's played everyone else 10 times, the bottom 4 play two-legged wild-card games to see who plays the top two in the semi-finals, then they play a final to crown the Champion of the Super League. It'll be game after game ad nauseum between the 'istree clubs and every game will be completely meaningless. See how attractive that is to the fans and advertisers.

And with those cunts fucked off, Spain, Italy and Germany can have proper title races every season, and the Premier League will finally be free from the poisonous influence of red shite.
That's precisely what the Super League is ultimately intended to evolve into. The clubs believe their star power and fan base so vast that this competition will capture the attention of the vast majority of the "fans of the future" at the expense of "legacy fans." And because the Super League clubs will have removed themselves from the leagues, the leagues will die on the vine, and their potential competitors will wither away, or simply remain local curiosities with limited "legacy fan" bases and no hope of escape.

It's in effect an entire reset of the sport along the lines of a closed American sports league.
 
Yeah but it’s the closed shop that doesn’t sit well. The fact no club in the future can do what we did. It’s the drawbridge being pulled up behind us.
Yep, but at the same time, there is irony now in a lot of fans outraged comments. Those who thought FFP was the best thing since sliced bread and City were killing football, for bridging the gap to the top. There was already a drawbridge being put in place by UEFA bit by bit, this is a castle in the sky if anything.
 
“127 years destroyed by greed”

Only been in the CL for 10 years lol. The same shit fucking cup that no one seemed to give a fuck about. Some people.
 
“127 years destroyed by greed”

Only been in the CL for 10 years lol. The same shit fucking cup that no one seemed to give a fuck about. Some people.
UEFA didn't even exist until the mid 50s either. European competitions weren't really a thing before then.
 
City are fucked whichever way they jump.
A European Championship made up of Bayern, PSG, City and maybe Chelsea will not get the TV deals and income of the alternative. our owners investment would be scuppered. We as fans are in a lose lose situation.

I thought we were going to break the Cartel but instead we have joined it. Shameful. We fought the law and the law won.
 

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