At least the 50+1 model keeps the German league as competitive as ever.....1. The first thing the clubs got wrong is that entry into the proposed new league should be on merit (ie qualification via league position). These teams would be what I would define as Europe’s top clubs.
2. The current format for elite football in Europe is becoming stale and boring, and requires a radical revamp. Nothing in it for me directly apart from being excited by the prospect of top quality high ntensity games with the sense of achievement that the club coming out on top would get.
3. Another missed opportunity by the clubs is the failure to explain the additional revenue that would be generated and to come up with a fair way to ensure that a percentage of this revenue would be distributed throughout the pyramid.
4. Don’t get me started on Brexit.
5. I remember all the dummy spitting that went on when the Premier League was proposed, very similar predictions of doom. Turned out to be a roaring success so it isn’t always the case that change is bad even though reluctance to change is usually very strong in the football world. A European Super League with relegation/promotion and the opportunity for clubs to take part based on merit is a proposition that is so strong that it will happen one day imo.
I definitely agree with you that they botched this attempt badly. But it won't go away.
The Italian clubs are skint, the two big Spanish clubs have €2bn of debt, Spurs are in dire financial straits I suspect and the US-owned clubs want to get rid of the uncertainty and irregular financial flows that the current system brings.
They either have to bend UEFA to their will again, at a time when Ceferin has been emboldened, grown a spine and isn't taking any shit, or forego their national leagues.
After reading a lot about this recently, I have concluded that Football is not broken. Football was never broken.The Italian clubs are skint, the two big Spanish clubs have €2bn of debt, Spurs are in dire financial straits I suspect and the US-owned clubs want to get rid of the uncertainty and irregular financial flows that the current system brings.
Interesting how this all came about. Owners have invested their own money into football clubs since its inception but now it is seen as dirty money. Newcastle, Blackburn, City, Chelsea to name a few.
The premier league has some cheek blocking the Newcastle takeover but quite happily let the yanks purchase united and Liverpool with money they did not have.
I keep hearing football is a business. Why does that idea have to be universal? If owners want to spend their own money, who cares? But what about Leeds/Portsmouth etc. Are they any different to the yank owners now? They are ruining clubs all the same.
The main problems with football is...you guessed it DEBT. Owners should never have been allowed to buy clubs when they do not have the money needed. Player Salaries are equally a huge fucking problem. It’s time Football authorities got their heads out of the cartels backside and governed the game properly. We all know it won’t happen but don’t worry another version of FFP & the Super league will be on its way. Fucking nonsense the lot of it.
There isn't going to be, and cannot be, a pan-European league with promotion and relegation. A pan-European league will probably happen some day, and if it does it will be closed as American sports are. In my mind that is an inevitability (albeit an unfortunate if not a tragic one) and that's precisely where the ESL was leading. Why would an owner regularly finishing second in a domestic league want to risk finishing 18th in a pan-European league and be relegated? He wouldn't, ever.1. The first thing the clubs got wrong is that entry into the proposed new league should be on merit (ie qualification via league position). These teams would be what I would define as Europe’s top clubs.
2. The current format for elite football in Europe is becoming stale and boring, and requires a radical revamp. Nothing in it for me directly apart from being excited by the prospect of top quality high ntensity games with the sense of achievement that the club coming out on top would get.
3. Another missed opportunity by the clubs is the failure to explain the additional revenue that would be generated and to come up with a fair way to ensure that a percentage of this revenue would be distributed throughout the pyramid.
4. Don’t get me started on Brexit.
5. I remember all the dummy spitting that went on when the Premier League was proposed, very similar predictions of doom. Turned out to be a roaring success so it isn’t always the case that change is bad even though reluctance to change is usually very strong in the football world. A European Super League with relegation/promotion and the opportunity for clubs to take part based on merit is a proposition that is so strong that it will happen one day imo.
Fair point. My main concern is the Americans. Their view on sport is fundamentally different from our own which is ok until it threatens the very fabric of football in this country. Imo they view the fans as unlimited cash machines. Closed league were the peacocks of united, Liverpool, Madrid, Barca can strut around holding the rest of us in contempt all because they have a history of success.The Newcastle takeover was stupid but the PL did make the right decision in the end.
You can't bring in the Saudi's when they're hosting a piracy platform that's costing the other 19 clubs money.
What are your personal feeling PB could you be pushed to far and give it all up. How have your feelings towards the club changed in the last week. Just interested if I am being to nosy to ignore.I think he made a very fair point. No they haven't taken money out but they've definitely got something out of the relationship. We know the term 'sportswashing' is intellectual nonsense but they've been given the chance to promote their country and the companies based there.
I've been told that when Abu Dhabi leaders meet other world leaders, City is often the non-political opening topic of conversation, particularly when they're talking to Vladimir Putin, with his protege owning Chelsea. We've always known what the bargain was, if we've got half a brain, but we've got an awful lot out of it as well of course so we've always trusted those running our club.
We've also known they didn't put us at the front of their thoughts, despite the trophies, with constant increases in prices, more hospitality areas and advertising boards being seen as more important than fans. So there's always been a bit of cynicism but this latest episode has been a bridge too far for many.