The Tottenham Thread 12/13

[Latics Fan SJK]

I didn't think Pienaar performed especially well in the games he played for us but after his successful loan to Everton we should have given him another chance under AVB imo. We sold him for way too cheap and he's a perfect squad player who can play on either wing and as an attacking midfielder.

Townsend really looks quality, I think it's good in a way that we loaned him out because we see how good he can be but at the same time I think we should have had backup for Bale and Lennon.

Carroll's definitely played his way into contention for a starting place imo. He's the only player we have who is the type of central midfielder that suits AVB's system. When he comes on it's sort of like the gears and cogs start turning and everything comes together. I think he's a quality player but it's more his effect on the team that is valuable.

I think Chelsea have better fullbacks and have one better striker (Ba) than we do. We have better central defenders and I would rather have Lloris than Cech.

This isn't meant to be provocative but why then do we have a +16 goal difference on you? I'd say you beat us in CM but we only completely outclass you in attacking midfield. By the way, Cech won the CL final penalty shoot-out (jumped the correct way for every shot). Maybe he'd end your hoodoo.

Very reasonable. Chelsea have a higher quality of player. Spurs have only one outfield player on a similar level to Oscar, Mata and Hazard. I would also prefer Ba and Torres to Defoe or Adebayor.

As for centre-halves, I cannot think of a Spurs centre-half who is better than Gary Cahill or David Luiz. The 'equivalent' maybe but certainly not 'better'.

As for keepers, I would much rather have Cech than Lloris. Loris has a lot to prove before he can be considered in the same class as Cech. I would rate Hart, Cech, Schwarzer, Krul and Vorm more highly than Lloris. Only once Loris has proven himself in the Prem can he be rated as highly as those listed.

I would not recommend debating with a Spurs fan about who has better players. Last year, many posters on GG thought Spurs had a better first XI than both City and Spurs. We won the league, Chelsea won the CL and Spurs, as they say at the Lane, "wan fack all".

Fair enough, I can understand you having the opinion that Cech is better than Lloris. But Schwarzer, Krul or Vorm? Come on.

It means fuck all whether Lloris is only in his first year in the prem or not. Should we adopt that stance with Casillas, Buffon and Neuer? He's the French #1 keeper, with 45 caps to his name already. He's not even in his prime years for a goalkeeper and he's already had a decent career, much better than those 3 you have compared him too.

Lloris is better than Vorm, Krul and Schwarzer without doubt. Cech, like I said, I can understand that one. Hart's an interesting one. If you'd watched Lloris as often as you've watched Hart over his career you might rate them differently. This comment does come across as "anti-spurs" to me.

 

[GHoddle]

I didn't think Pienaar performed especially well in the games he played for us but after his successful loan to Everton we should have given him another chance under AVB imo. We sold him for way too cheap and he's a perfect squad player who can play on either wing and as an attacking midfielder.

Townsend really looks quality, I think it's good in a way that we loaned him out because we see how good he can be but at the same time I think we should have had backup for Bale and Lennon.

Carroll's definitely played his way into contention for a starting place imo. He's the only player we have who is the type of central midfielder that suits AVB's system. When he comes on it's sort of like the gears and cogs start turning and everything comes together. I think he's a quality player but it's more his effect on the team that is valuable.

I think Chelsea have better fullbacks and have one better striker (Ba) than we do. We have better central defenders and I would rather have Lloris than Cech.

This isn't meant to be provocative but why then do we have a +16 goal difference on you? I'd say you beat us in CM but we only completely outclass you in attacking midfield. By the way, Cech won the CL final penalty shoot-out (jumped the correct way for every shot). Maybe he'd end your hoodoo.

How is that the case when Bale is our attacking midfielder (that's the position he's been playing in 2013).

The goal difference thing doesn't bother me that much, +8 of those came from one game against Aston Villa. We haven't really had many blowout victories this season so we don't have a great goal difference but I don't necessarily see that as an indicator of a team's quality.

 

[Manc in London]

Fair enough, I can understand you having the opinion that Cech is better than Lloris. But Schwarzer, Krul or Vorm? Come on.

Schwarzer has probably been the best keeper in the league this year. Arguably one of the top 3 keepers in each of the last 10 seasons. He's an excellent keeper.

Krul and Vorm are very good and are improving too. Maybe they are not better than Loris but on what basis are they considerably worse. What aspects of Vorm's game is weaker than Loris'?

Would Lyon have fared worse in the CL with Vorm or Kruhl? What were his stand-out performances in the CL for Lyon?

It means fuck all whether Lloris is only in his first year in the prem or not.

Calm down.

Of course, it matters. He has not played in a top league before. Ligue 1? Pfft Let's calm down and see what we think next year when other teams have had a good look at him.

Should we adopt that stance with Casillas, Buffon and Neuer? He's the French #1 keeper, with 45 caps to his name already. He's not even in his prime years for a goalkeeper and he's already had a decent career, much better than those 3 you have compared him too.

How do you know he has not reached his prime? Silly thing to say. Not all keepers have improved as they got older. That's an Ian Wrightism.

Neuer plays for, arguably one of the top 4 teams in the world and has been excellent in the CL and Bundesliga. He went through a sticky patch this season but his 'sticky patches' are better than what I would call a typical LOris performance.

Buffon is a CL and World Cup winner, and has been one of the most important players in those teams and has played in one of the top leagues for 15 years.

So what if he has won 45 caps? What are your thoughts on Andreas Isaaksson? Winning caps does not mean that a keeper is of high quality. It's not as if he has tough competition from the likes of Mandanda and Barthez.

Lloris is better than Vorm, Krul and Schwarzer without doubt.

I have already responded to this point but I have to say I do find it unbelievable that you dismiss Schwarzer so easily.

Cech, like I said, I can understand that one. Hart's an interesting one. If you'd watched Lloris as often as you've watched Hart over his career you might rate them differently.

Are you suggesting that Loris is better?

I believe Hart is overrated but it would be surprising, if he did become available, if several top clubs in Europe and in the Prem did not want to sign him. Who came in for Loris? They were hardly banging down the door to speak to him were they? If he was so good, he would have ended up at a big club.

This comment does come across as "anti-spurs" to me.

I hate United but I would still admit to Ferdinand being the best centre-half this country has produced in my life time. Are your comments about Schwarzer evidence of an anti-Fulham bias?

 

[Manc in London]

The goal difference thing doesn't bother me that much, +8 of those came from one game against Aston Villa. We haven't really had many blowout victories this season so we don't have a great goal difference but I don't necessarily see that as an indicator of a team's quality.

Be interesting to see if you hold that view if you fail to qualify for the CL because of inferior goal difference.

There is no definite correlation between league placing and goal difference but often the teams with better goal difference end up in the top divisions.

You may not have had many blowout victories but it is unreasonable to suggest that it does not indicate (NB I did not say 'proof') the quality of a team. Are blowout victories not important? May I remind you of how we managed to win the league title last season? If we had beaten United, for example, 1-2 at Old Trafford instead of 1-6 and beaten Spurs 1-4 instead of 1-5, United would have won the league (ceteris paribus - my goodness that makes me sound pompous. But at least it helps me to get my point across).

 

[Crouchinho]

The fact you had a pop at our medals again in the last line, the medal tally in the last 50 years yesterday and continously stereotyping spurs fans because you look out for deluded posters on forums it comes across as anti spurs. You have said yourself you hate spurs and the fans before.

You said Stephen Ireland is better than modric, Ekotto worst left back in the league, vertonghen worst buy in the premiership, Lloris inferior to Schwarzer and the fans were probably being gobby who got stabbed etc

 

[baildon blue]

I hope Spurs finish 5th.Never liked Spurs and never will.I didnt like the way they farted over the Adebayor transfer.Small fry compared to the mighty Manchester City

 

[Castiel]

How is that the case when Bale is our attacking midfielder (that's the position he's been playing in 2013).

The goal difference thing doesn't bother me that much, +8 of those came from one game against Aston Villa. We haven't really had many blowout victories this season so we don't have a great goal difference but I don't necessarily see that as an indicator of a team's quality.

Because Bale isn't as good as Hazard, Mata and Oscar combined. Mata is both statistically, and anecdotally just as productive as Bale on his own. He just isn't hyped the same way. Bale's game winning feats are explosive, Mata's are artistic. Your other options don't come close and your depth in that department is also well behind ours. In fact, your best 11 is competitive with the best teams in the league, but your depth is severely lacking on the whole. If Bale is injured Spurs loses a lot of potency, even against weaker teams. We can play without both Mata and Hazard if called for.

And yes, GD is an indicator of how well a team is playing. It isn't definitive, but it's an indicator - and both Arsenal and ourselves are way ahead of you there.

If you fail to achieve CL this season do you think Bale will leave? What then? He's been instrumental to your drive this season and won't be easily replaced. I can't believe he'll stick around forever like RVP did.

 

[City Raider]

keep awaiting because your fancy what-ifs are as far away from reality as possible.

"Spurs fan in not knowing the rules shocker."

Sorry I thought we were talking about the rules, not whether my "what ifs" are realistic. By the rules, I'm right and you're wrong and you are being a sore loser about it. Not my fault you made a sarcastic comment and got totally proven wrong.

I'm aware of how it works.

We'll be in pot 3. And that doesn't bother me as if the season ended today pot 3 will avoid the likes of Dortmund (if they don't win this year), Juventus, Zenit, Ajax. Teams the will be in pot 2 don't look as strong.

I don't want to harp on about it but Juventus and PSG are both certain to be in pot 2.

Juventus is currently the 17th highest ranked team currently in a qualifying position. Unless things change they will be in pot 3. PSG is 16th which is why I didn't quote them as a team that we would avoid in pot 3. Although if one of the teams above them move into a qualifying position from outside of one, or Dortmund win this seasons comp (if that does get you into pot 1) they could drop into pot 3 as well.

FWIW if the season ended today the pots would be:

1 - Barca, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Rags, Arsenal, Porto, Benfica
2 - Atletico Madrid, Lyon, Shaktar Donetsk, Milan, Schalke, Marseilles, CSKA Moscow, PSG
3 - Juventus, Zenit, City, Ajax, Mentalists, Basel, Dortmund

Stopped looking after Dortmund.

Barca and PSG it would be then!

 

[mcfclovin88]

I hope Spurs finish 5th.Never liked Spurs and never will.I didnt like the way they farted over the Adebayor transfer.Small fry compared to the mighty Manchester City

I don't much like spurs, but that last line is embarrassing.

 

[zeven]

Are you guys finished measuring dicks now?

To spursfans: how is your injury situation for sundays game against us?

 

[blink922]

Are you guys finished measuring dicks now?

To spursfans: how is your injury situation for sundays game against us?

The spurs boys on here might have more information than I, but I believe lennon should be back, bale/defoe probably on the bench, gallas/kaboul both out.

 

[zeven]

Are you guys finished measuring dicks now?

To spursfans: how is your injury situation for sundays game against us?

The spurs boys on here might have more information than I, but I believe lennon should be back, bale/defoe probably on the bench, gallas/kaboul both out.

Thanks.

 

[GHoddle]

Because Bale isn't as good as Hazard, Mata and Oscar combined. Mata is both statistically, and anecdotally just as productive as Bale on his own. He just isn't hyped the same way. Bale's game winning feats are explosive, Mata's are artistic. Your other options don't come close and your depth in that department is also well behind ours. In fact, your best 11 is competitive with the best teams in the league, but your depth is severely lacking on the whole. If Bale is injured Spurs loses a lot of potency, even against weaker teams. We can play without both Mata and Hazard if called for.

And yes, GD is an indicator of how well a team is playing. It isn't definitive, but it's an indicator - and both Arsenal and ourselves are way ahead of you there.

If you fail to achieve CL this season do you think Bale will leave? What then? He's been instrumental to your drive this season and won't be easily replaced. I can't believe he'll stick around forever like RVP did.

Just want to say in advance I hope I don't come across as hostile or quarrelsome, I actually like having these sorts of conversations and I usually like you as a poster. Also I've mentioned before that I would obviously have Mata and Hazard in our team but what I'm arguing against is your claim that your attacking midfield is significantly better than our's.

But anyway, the 3 players you mentioned have scored 19 goals this season in the league. Bale has scored 17 on his own. Oscar has only scored 1 goal and assisted 4 in 19 starts and 10 sub appearances, while for instance Sigurdsson has 2 goals and 4 assists in 11 starts and 17 sub appearances. I definitely hate Oscar highly though but I think he's still getting acclimated to this league, it's not easy especially for a player his age.

If we look at combined stats:

Bale, Lennon, Sigurdsson: 23 goals, 13 assists in 67 combined starts
Hazard, Mata, Oscar: 20 goals, 24 assists in 71 combined starts

Our's lead slightly in goals, your's lead significantly in assists. But since we're also talking about the squad depth, I think it's fair to say that your 'depth' players in these positions - Moses and Marin - have only scored 1 goal each and made no assists. Dempsey who is effectively our squad player has scored 5 and assisted 3.

So Bale, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Dempsey - 28 goals, 16 assists. 44 combined.
Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Moses - 21 goals, 24 assists. 45 combined.

So I don't see where this huge difference is?

Also a point I forgot to make about your goal difference is that you have scored 7 penalties in the league, while we have been given none, and had 3 scored against us, while you had 1 scored against you. I'm not trying to say that you didn't deserve the penalties or that we deserved more than we were given, but it's still a significant statistic that 9 of your goal difference buffer has come from penalties.

We've scored 1 more goal than you in open play, while you have scored 3 more from set pieces and 7 more from penalties so that's where the difference comes from. I'm not saying that's bad or anything but it doesn't really make the point about team quality in the way that you would like it to IMO.

 

[citytill1die84]

"Spurs fan in not knowing the rules shocker."

Sorry I thought we were talking about the rules, not whether my "what ifs" are realistic. By the rules, I'm right and you're wrong and you are being a sore loser about it. Not my fault you made a sarcastic comment and got totally proven wrong.



I don't want to harp on about it but Juventus and PSG are both certain to be in pot 2.

Juventus is currently the 17th highest ranked team currently in a qualifying position. Unless things change they will be in pot 3. PSG is 16th which is why I didn't quote them as a team that we would avoid in pot 3. Although if one of the teams above them move into a qualifying position from outside of one, or Dortmund win this seasons comp (if that does get you into pot 1) they could drop into pot 3 as well.

FWIW if the season ended today the pots would be:

1 - Barca, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Rags, Arsenal, Porto, Benfica
2 - Atletico Madrid, Lyon, Shaktar Donetsk, Milan, Schalke, Marseilles, CSKA Moscow, PSG
3 - Juventus, Zenit, City, Ajax, Mentalists, Basel, Dortmund

Stopped looking after Dortmund.

Barca and PSG it would be then!

Nailed on :) funny how we already know out Champions League group for next year ain't it?

On another note I want Spurs to finish above Arsenal or Chelsea.

 

[zeven]

Because Bale isn't as good as Hazard, Mata and Oscar combined. Mata is both statistically, and anecdotally just as productive as Bale on his own. He just isn't hyped the same way. Bale's game winning feats are explosive, Mata's are artistic. Your other options don't come close and your depth in that department is also well behind ours. In fact, your best 11 is competitive with the best teams in the league, but your depth is severely lacking on the whole. If Bale is injured Spurs loses a lot of potency, even against weaker teams. We can play without both Mata and Hazard if called for.

And yes, GD is an indicator of how well a team is playing. It isn't definitive, but it's an indicator - and both Arsenal and ourselves are way ahead of you there.

If you fail to achieve CL this season do you think Bale will leave? What then? He's been instrumental to your drive this season and won't be easily replaced. I can't believe he'll stick around forever like RVP did.

Just want to say in advance I hope I don't come across as hostile or quarrelsome, I actually like having these sorts of conversations and I usually like you as a poster. Also I've mentioned before that I would obviously have Mata and Hazard in our team but what I'm arguing against is your claim that your attacking midfield is significantly better than our's.

But anyway, the 3 players you mentioned have scored 19 goals this season in the league. Bale has scored 17 on his own. Oscar has only scored 1 goal and assisted 4 in 19 starts and 10 sub appearances, while for instance Sigurdsson has 2 goals and 4 assists in 11 starts and 17 sub appearances. I definitely hate Oscar highly though but I think he's still getting acclimated to this league, it's not easy especially for a player his age.

If we look at combined stats:

Bale, Lennon, Sigurdsson: 23 goals, 13 assists in 67 combined starts
Hazard, Mata, Oscar: 20 goals, 24 assists in 71 combined starts

Our's lead slightly in goals, your's lead significantly in assists. But since we're also talking about the squad depth, I think it's fair to say that your 'depth' players in these positions - Moses and Marin - have only scored 1 goal each and made no assists. Dempsey who is effectively our squad player has scored 5 and assisted 3.

So Bale, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Dempsey - 28 goals, 16 assists. 44 combined.
Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Moses - 21 goals, 24 assists. 45 combined.

So I don't see where this huge difference is?

Also a point I forgot to make about your goal difference is that you have scored 7 penalties in the league, while we have been given none, and had 3 scored against us, while you had 1 scored against you. I'm not trying to say that you didn't deserve the penalties or that we deserved more than we were given, but it's still a significant statistic that 9 of your goal difference buffer has come from penalties.

We've scored 1 more goal than you in open play, while you have scored 3 more from set pieces and 7 more from penalties so that's where the difference comes from. I'm not saying that's bad or anything but it doesn't really make the point about team quality in the way that you would like it to IMO.

After reading you post i must admit i have to reconsider my stand on spursfans or at least dont genarlize your bunch.

I do belive Chelsea players are better individuelly, but where spurs are the better team at present, which isnt strange the foundation of spurs have played for a longe time.

My personal view is that Spurs or only second to the manchester teams at the minute. so third best team in England.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Schwarzer has been one of the best keepers in the league this year

Oh come on. Mignolet, Begovic & probably Guzan have been better than Schwarzer this year. Whilst it's admiral that he's still playing top flight football in his forties, he has in no way been the best keeper in the league. I'd also say Hart, de Gea & Lloris have all had better seasons. People tend to take pity on the likes of Schwarzer & Friedel in that, whilst good keepers they are, their performances are dramaticised because of their age. A good performance becomes a great one just because he's 40, for example.

Krul and Vorm are very good and are improving too. Maybe they are not better than Loris but on what basis are they considerably worse. What aspects of Vorm's game is weaker than Loris'?

Where did I say they were considerably worse? You stated Krul & Vorm were better keepers and I just rebuffed it. Krul is young and has time on his side and I agree that Vorm is also a decent keeper but, for me, Lloris is a top keeper and rightly France's #1.

Would Lyon have fared worse in the CL with Vorm or Kruhl? What were his stand-out performances in the CL for Lyon?

That's all subjective so who knows? The fact is that Lloris has played in numerous CL's and has progress into the KO stages more than once, whereas the others haven't. I'm not saying that just because he's played in the CL it makes him instantly better. BTW.

Calm down.

Of course, it matters. He has not played in a top league before. Ligue 1? Pfft Let's calm down and see what we think next year when other teams have had a good look at him.

Whilst it isn't the Prem or La Liga, it's still a decent league. Above the levels of Eredivisie and the Portugesa Liga (if that's what it's called). Also, he's played regularly in the best club competition in the world and featured for France in the biggest football competition in the world. A CL & World Cup goalkeeper for a top club and top nation. Whilst the Prem will be a test for him on a more regular, week to week basis, he's proved himself to be a top class keeper already, IMO - I think that's pretty clear.

How do you know he has not reached his prime? Silly thing to say. Not all keepers have improved as they got older. That's an Ian Wrightism.

Fair enough, I should have said he's not reach a goalkeeper's prime years, rather than his prime years. It's widely recognised that keepers, on the whole, get better with age. All I'm saying is that, IMO, he's only going to get better as he's only 26, on the cusp of CL football once again, and regular football in the PL, CL and for his NT will help with that.

Neuer plays for, arguably one of the top 4 teams in the world and has been excellent in the CL and Bundesliga. He went through a sticky patch this season but his 'sticky patches' are better than what I would call a typical LOris performance.

I know. I was merely referring to the fact that you don't have to have played in the Prem to be classed as, in the words of 'arry, top drawer. People were labelling Neuer as a top class keeper before his move to Munich, whilst he was at Schalke. Not many, at the time, were saying "bollocks, he's average, when he's done it in the Prem, we shall decide that".

So what if he has won 45 caps? What are your thoughts on Andreas Isaaksson? Winning caps does not mean that a keeper is of high quality. It's not as if he has tough competition from the likes of Mandanda and Barthez.

Lloris has 45 caps for, IMO, one of the top 10 nations in the world, regardless of those stupid World Rankings. Whilst he may not have Buffon or Neuer-esque rivals demanding his France jersey, Mandanda is still better than any back up English keeper to Joe Hart. Using that logic, are we saying we can't praise Hart because he has no decent competition?

I have already responded to this point but I have to say I do find it unbelievable that you dismiss Schwarzer so easily.

You keep bringing up Schwarzer, not me. All I said was that I believe Lloris to be better, which he is, IMO of course. I've not once suggested he's shit. He's a good keeper and it's impressive to see him still competing at 40, like Friedel, Lloris' understoody.

Are you suggesting that Loris is better?

I believe Hart is overrated but it would be surprising, if he did become available, if several top clubs in Europe and in the Prem did not want to sign him. Who came in for Loris? They were hardly banging down the door to speak to him were they? If he was so good, he would have ended up at a big club.

I agree that Hart is over rated but that's just down to the English media. He's still a top class keeper and honestly, if I was to pick a keeper, I couldn't choose between the two. In fact, I'd probably be inclined to opt for Lloris for the simple reason that English players tend to cost twice as much! As for top clubs being after them, both the Milan clubs and a few Prem clubs, including Arsenal have been after him in the past. I don't believe either Madrid, Barca or Bayern would opt for Hart, should he be available, personally.

I hate United but I would still admit to Ferdinand being the best centre-half this country has produced in my life time. Are your comments about Schwarzer evidence of an anti-Fulham bias?

No, that's silly. I'm merely playing the "anti-Spurs" card for the simple reason that you've had little pops at them throughout the entirety of this thread according to the Spurs fan (unless you're calling him a liar obviously).

 

[Slicker than Sommeil]

Why hasn't THFC come in with a report complete with graphs blowing Castiel out of the water yet?

I'm dissapointed, you're slacking THFC.

(Or does Castiel have him stumped)

 

[Manc in London]

The fact you had a pop at our medals again in the last line, the medal tally in the last 50 years yesterday and continously stereotyping spurs fans because you look out for deluded posters on forums it comes across as anti spurs. You have said yourself you hate spurs and the fans before.

Hahaha Spurs fans regularly chant to the fans from the majority of clubs, "You've never wan fack orl". Until last season, you have aimed that chant at City fans at every game, home and away, that I have been to in the last 25 years - and I have been the majority of those games. Believe me, I will take every opportunity now to mock Spurs fans. It will take a long time until I get bored of it.

Spurs fans are the most unpoular fans in London for a reason. Fans from every club in London despise Spurs fans. Even Wimbledon fans hate Spurs supporters, yet your teams haven't played each other for years.

You said Stephen Ireland is better than modric, Ekotto worst left back in the league, vertonghen worst buy in the premiership, Lloris inferior to Schwarzer and the fans were probably being gobby who got stabbed etc

I don't even need to express my opinion of Ekotto. You only have to look at the fact that your manager plays a centre-half or Naughton ahead of him.

I do not rate Vertonghen, at all. I would not swap him for our top 5 centre-halves. The last time you played in the league he was responsible for both goals. Although to be fair, the genius that is Loris was at fault for one of them as he felt that a ball that travels over the six yard box from a corner, is not his.

We all got giddy about Ireland. He was one of the top 4 or 5 players in the league one year. Much better than Modric in that season. I accept that his game has gone to pieces, although that may not necessarily be due to a lack of talent. I would say that Ireland's best season in the Prem was far more productive than any single one of Modric's seasons in the Prem.

Re Loris: How many great games as he had for Spurs? He has yet to providve himself.

 

[FrostyNRG]

Ha, some Spurs fan, somewhere, must have done something really bad to you at some point in your life. I've never seen such hatred for our club and fans from any non Arsenal fan. Even most of them are more reasoned than you.

Hahaha Spurs fans regularly chant to the fans from the majority of clubs, "You've never wan fack orl".

This is pure nonsense.

Until last season, you have aimed that chant at City fans at every game, home and away, that I have been to in the last 25 years - and I have been the majority of those games. Believe me, I will take every opportunity now to mock Spurs fans. It will take a long time
until I get bored of it.

Perfectly fair enough. That's a big part of what being a football fan is all about IMO. Taking the banter on the chin when you have to, and giving it back when you can.

Spurs fans are the most unpoular fans in London for a reason. Fans from every club in London despise Spurs fans. Even Wimbledon fans hate Spurs supporters, yet your teams haven't played each other for years.

More pure nonsense.

I don't even need to express my opinion of Ekotto.

And yet you have done. I don't think many Spurs fans think he is great, but I doubt there are many people at all that think he is the worst left-back in the league.

I do not rate Vertonghen, at all.

Entirely entitled to your opinion of course. You seem to either think players are completely worthless or excellent. I've yet to come across a single individual that doesn't rate Vertonghen, so you're either a better of judge of player than everyone else or, just possibly, being blinkered by your Spurs hatred.

Re Loris: How many great games as he had for Spurs? He has yet to providve himself.

I don't recall a single outstanding performance, but I equally don't recall an occasion when one was necessary. He's made many good saves, some excellent ones, and he's made a couple of mistakes. Pretty standard for a top goalkeeper, which he undoubtedly is.

 

[Crouchinho]

It's called banter manc in london, I'd take what fans sing with a pinch of salt. We've sang ridiculous songs to United too who dominated for the past 20 years too. One even comparing Fergie to a shit Gary megson. How did you cope 20 years ago when chants from opposition were a lot more aggressive? It was only twenty years ago your fans tried to stop and FA cup game against spurs by invading the pitch. I'd rather be in this day and age now<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:17 pm --<br /><br />

Why hasn't THFC come in with a report complete with graphs blowing Castiel out of the water yet?

I'm dissapointed, you're slacking THFC.

(Or does Castiel have him stumped)

I'm hoping Thfc posts a preview of the game that's always a good read, he was collecting data on previous scorers against spurs I think.

We get to read about how Michael Brown won 30 medals between the two clubs!!