The Tottenham Thread 13/14 (continued)

[BigOscar]

I think they massively suffered for not trusting the manager. AVB, like most managers, had a very specific way he wanted to play, so needed very specific types of players to fit that system. He told Baldini and Levi who he wanted, and they came back with different players who they thought were "similar", but they thought were better value. Obviously that's doomed to fail, as what they think is similar about the players isn't neccesarily what attracted the manager to them. Instead of Moutinho and Hulk, he ends up with Lamela and Eriksen, along with a host of other players he didn't want.

As a result, they now have a bunch of players who don't really fit into any particular system, they alienated the manager and then fired him to cover their own mistakes, then hired a man based on absolutely nothing, who clearly has no idea what he's doing. Inevitably, Sherwood will take responsibility and be fired, many of the players will leave for losses, while Levi remains, despite him being the one at fault.

To be fair to Daniel Levy they were never gonna get Hulk because Zenit spent 60m on him. The Moutinho one also seemed complicated with the 3rd party ownership and then by the summer Monaco came in for him. Lamela and Eriksen are both great players that haven't been played in their best positions and both will come good. The Soldado transfer was a poor one don't think he's suited to this league but then again they tried to get Negredo first.

That's the mindset of Levy. "Sure they aren't the players that you wanted, but they're good players so it'll be fiiiiiine". It's just not how good football teams work. You buy players to fit a system, you don't just buy good players who are available, or who your director of football likes from previous clubs, as you end up with vast amounts of players that don't fit anywhere into the team. As for the Moutinho deal, it wasn't complicated, they just lost out due to Levy trying to save pennies at the expense of the team (again). He cares far more about being seen as a tough negotiator than the impact it has on the team

 

[supercrystal7]

AVB had his faults and one of them was refusing to accept a loss and keeping the score respectable. Chelsea fans mentioned this when they got beat 5-3 at Arsenal. He does not alter his tactics during the game enough and when it's not working his team can take a beating. That being said he was still a young manager and improving. The Liverpool game is the perfect example where he should have changed things after 20 minutes. Mourinho or Mancini would have. In fact Mancini made a similar change in the Chelsea game a few weeks ago.

The awful Tottenham defence was apparent for a long time and it's shocking they did nothing about this. Levy also did not back AVB in the transfer market. Haggling over the price of Moutinho is stupid, when you need to realise that all managers need players they can trust and understand them. Moutinho's value as AVB's meant he would be more important to Tottenham than other clubs.

I said it in another thread, but the only bonus Tottenham have is that virtually all their squad has a high resale value. They can get rid of the players they don't want and use it to fund a new stronger more balanced team.

I think you can call allowing AVB the Bale cash plus more, IS backing him up in the transfer market, surely?

Except he did not allow AVB to splash the Bale cash, his primary targets were rejected. Certain deals like third ownership and minimum release fees are very complex and so you need time to sort them out. It's not the sort of thing you try and do on the last day like Levy likes to. If Tottenham had Moutinho last season then I believe they would have got fourth.

As for Hulk, I wonder if his wage demands would be too high. I think Scolari has given the Brazilian players strong advice to move to top European Leagues before the world cup. It could be coincidence, but Neymar, Fernandinho, Willian and Paulinho have all moved this summer. I think Hulk would have been interested in a move and so what if it cost 40 million. They had the money and if you trusted AVB then Hulk is certainly a better option than Lamela and Chadle.

 

[BigOscar]

AVB had his faults and one of them was refusing to accept a loss and keeping the score respectable. Chelsea fans mentioned this when they got beat 5-3 at Arsenal. He does not alter his tactics during the game enough and when it's not working his team can take a beating. That being said he was still a young manager and improving. The Liverpool game is the perfect example where he should have changed things after 20 minutes. Mourinho or Mancini would have. In fact Mancini made a similar change in the Chelsea game a few weeks ago.

The awful Tottenham defence was apparent for a long time and it's shocking they did nothing about this. Levy also did not back AVB in the transfer market. Haggling over the price of Moutinho is stupid, when you need to realise that all managers need players they can trust and understand them. Moutinho's value as AVB's meant he would be more important to Tottenham than other clubs.

I said it in another thread, but the only bonus Tottenham have is that virtually all their squad has a high resale value. They can get rid of the players they don't want and use it to fund a new stronger more balanced team.

I think you can call allowing AVB the Bale cash plus more, IS backing him up in the transfer market, surely?

They didn't though did they? They spent the cash, he didn't seem to have much of a say on the matter

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

£8.62 off Ebay.

 

[Mikeegrini]

That's cheap for Kevlar

 

[IH8MUFC]

We'll lose to Arsenal by a couple, really don't see in any way how it could go any differently. In a way hoping to lose by 3 or 4 (which looks highly likely anyway) so that Sherwood gets the tic-tac immediately so i don't have to look at his stupid face anymore.

His interview after the Chelsea game was just fucking hilarious. This is the guy who said that he did not want to sign any players in January as we already have too many and he is happy with the squad. Fast forward to the Chelsea game and all of a sudden he starts whining about the lack of chracters and the lack of cover he had in the squad. That's what January is for Sherwood you fucking mongoloid. How in god's name we ended both the summer and winter transfer windows with 0 left backs will always be a mystery to me.

Danny Rose is quite possibly the worst player I have ever seen play for Tottenham in all my life, and I've had to sit throught the likes of Bunjevcevic and Timothee Atouba.

The one good thing is that in the summer due to some miracle some foolish team will over £20m+ for Vertonghen, when he is barely worth a packet of wotsits. Vertonghen honestly believes that he is the second coming of Beckenbauer, when really he is the second coming of Pascal Cygan.

AVB's dismissal was contentious. I will admit it is difficult to keep your manager about after tonkings from City, West Ham, and Liverpool. However, when AVB was fired he had lost 6 games out of 26 this year and was still in all of the cups. Since Sherwood has taken over he has lost 7 out of 18 games and got us knocked out of 3 competitions...

I personally don't think that you should be managing a professional football team if you haven't even completed all of your coaching badges. So when I say that it is bewildering that a team with (supposed) top of the table ambitions would ever hire an unqualified manager with absolutely no experience, I want it to be known that I would be equally shocked if a team from the lower reaches of the championship hired someone with Sherwood's (lack of) managerial career.

If we don't get LVG in the summer then (after Sherwood) I would not be suprised if we hired a 15 year old from Slovenia who managed to go the season undefeated on Football Manager.

We'll Sherwood wouldnt have known much about the squad in January, he was only there for 5 minutes, plus I'm sure any manager would have not been reasonable after the Chelsea loss. I can't remember seeing a team gift another 3 goals like that before.

 

[CitizenTID]

Can't stand Tottenham but think Tim Sherwood is a good honest bloke (regardless of calling us the best team on the planet *grin*).

He doesn't play any of the games most managers do and says it how it is, although by voicing his honest opinion more than other managers he makes himself a bit venerable by maybe coming across as a bit naive (he isn't but to a chairman like Levy I can imagine that's the impression he'd get as he doesn't act like most managers).

 

[BigOscar]

Bit embarrassing that he chose to sit in the stands rather than be on the touchline tonight. Supposedly to make sure there wasn't a repeat of the row with Jorge Jesus or his histrionics against Arsenal, but I've never seen a manager hide like that before, seemed a bit cowardly. Most managers would be confident in their ability to stand near someone they don't like and not rise to any bait, or even feel compelled to stand up and show they're up for the fight, but he clearly didn't think he could. Seems to be cracking under the pressure after being found out as not really having any tactics or idea what he's doing. Talks like a man in the pub, but at the moment he also manages like a man in the pub. Maybe he'll return to top management later in life, but he needs to start lower and get the basics of management sorted before jumping in at the deep end.

 

[mancity111]

Bit embarrassing that he chose to sit in the stands rather than be on the touchline tonight. Supposedly to make sure there wasn't a repeat of the row with Jorge Jesus or his histrionics against Arsenal, but I've never seen a manager hide like that before, seemed a bit cowardly. Most managers would be confident in their ability to stand near someone they don't like and not rise to any bait, or even feel compelled to stand up and show they're up for the fight, but he clearly didn't think he could. Seems to be cracking under the pressure after being found out as not really having any tactics or idea what he's doing. Talks like a man in the pub, but at the moment he also manages like a man in the pub. Maybe he'll return to top management later in life, but he needs to start lower and get the basics of management sorted before jumping in at the deep end.

Certainly needed to do a managerial apprenticeship in lower leagues or in Europe if he wanted to make a fist of the job but its likely he wouldn't get a look in for a job at Spurs should that have been the approach he took.

Will be replaced in the summer.

 

[GHoddle]

Certainly needed to do a managerial apprenticeship in lower leagues or in Europe if he wanted to make a fist of the job but its likely he wouldn't get a look in for a job at Spurs should that have been the approach he took.

Will be replaced in the summer.

I hope so or Levy's a bigger idiot than I thought he was. Though nothing surprises me when it comes to his inability to pick a manager. Wouldn't surprise me if Van Gaal is available in the summer and we keep Tim in charge.