The Tottenham Thread 13/14 part 2.

[The Future's Blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

for someone who sets so much store on facts and statistics you don't half spout some lies and twist data

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

You can't go back a year and pick a figure from then to reduce your spend this season. I'd just about accept looking back to the previous January, but how much you spent, or received, in summer 2012 is irrelevant when considering your summer 2013 spending. Should we really be factoring in the sales of Adam Johnson and Nigel De Jong when looking at City's spend under Pelegrini?! Of course we shouldn't.......

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

You can't go back a year and pick a figure from then to reduce your spend this season. I'd just about accept looking back to the previous January, but how much you spent, or received, in summer 2012 is irrelevant when considering your summer 2013 spending. Should we really be factoring in the sales of Adam Johnson and Nigel De Jong when looking at City's spend under Pelegrini?! Of course we shouldn't.......

Why on Earth not?

We had cash left over from player trading which we wanted to spend on João Moutinho but the deal didn't go through in time.

I see nothing wrong in subtracting the balance from our spend this summer.

 

[waspish]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

Once Bale is sold that Net Spend will look impressive

 

[117 M34]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

You can't go back a year and pick a figure from then to reduce your spend this season. I'd just about accept looking back to the previous January, but how much you spent, or received, in summer 2012 is irrelevant when considering your summer 2013 spending. Should we really be factoring in the sales of Adam Johnson and Nigel De Jong when looking at City's spend under Pelegrini?! Of course we shouldn't.......

Why on Earth not?

We had cash left over from player trading which we wanted to spend on João Moutinho but the deal didn't go through in time.

I see nothing wrong in subtracting the balance from our spend this summer.

What about the summer before last, shouldn't that be added/subtracted too? How far back do you get to go? I'm guessing just as far back as it makes spurs look good

 

[Manc in London]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

It really is difficult to like Spurs fans.

I am convinced that GlastonSpur and THFC6061 are paid by Spurs to spread positive propoganda about the club.

Anyway, THFC6061, please define 'serious'?

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

what's that old saying?

there are lies, damn lies, statistics and THFC6061 facts

 

[Matty]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

You can't go back a year and pick a figure from then to reduce your spend this season. I'd just about accept looking back to the previous January, but how much you spent, or received, in summer 2012 is irrelevant when considering your summer 2013 spending. Should we really be factoring in the sales of Adam Johnson and Nigel De Jong when looking at City's spend under Pelegrini?! Of course we shouldn't.......

Why on Earth not?

We had cash left over from player trading which we wanted to spend on João Moutinho but the deal didn't go through in time.

I see nothing wrong in subtracting the balance from our spend this summer.

Because why stop 12 months ago? Why is 12 months relevant, yet 24 months isn't? How about 36 months?

Plus, as no-one is really fully aware of the figures spent/received it's all a bit inaccurate. You're claiming a profit of £14.6m for the 2012/13 season, other sources have that "profit" as low as £1.3m.

2004/05 £5m net spend
2005/06 £17.7m net spend
2006/07 £23.8m net spend
2007/08 £33.95m net spend
2008/09 £19.45m net spend
2009/10 -£1m net spend
2010/11 £17.5m net spend
2011/12 -£27m net spend
2012/13 -£1.3m net spend

So, which figures are relevant, and which aren't?

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

.[/quote]West Ham too........that doesn't really help our argument does it?![/quote]

Im sure West Ham would want everyone of our players. nowt wrong throwing in a cheeky bid as you never know.

And what does it matter what champions league club were after Negredo and navas, not many were after Kompany, zaba, nastasic and even dzeko but i think juve were intrested in the latter but wasnt Champs league back then.

btw im sure R.madrid were showing an intrest in navas
maybe lovecity can confirm this or was it just a dream i had.

 

[Citizenhill]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Soldado will improve Spurs' attack, much like Fernandinho will improve our midfield, both were overpriced, but the clubs needed that position sorting and it shows the correct ambition on Tottenham's part to change that. Chadli will be like Holtby I think, no more and no less than a decent option to bring in but never set the world alight, same with Capoue. Paulinho is good though, will set up nicely in midfield with Sandro and Dembele.

Paulinhio, Sandro and Dembele are all similar players - work hard defensively but not exactly creative and score loads do they

Dembele definitely can be creative, he was a bit restricted last season, great dribbling skills. Sandro and Paulinho I agree on, although they are very good at what they do, bit one dimensional, Paulinho will pop up with a few goals mind whilst Sandro will sit deeper. Spurs do have a good team, if they possibly keep Bale then they can definitely mount a better title challenge, Soldado is miles above Adebayor and Defoe.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Interesting move having a different sponsor for the cups. Lovely lolly for the club, but as always, fans who will bear the brunt should they decide they want to have a shirt (I know it's not compulsory so don't jump on me for it).

I'll be honest that I really have no love for Spurs - still scarred by '81 :) - but I think some of us are being very dismissive of them this season. Sure they need to strengthen in defence which I don't think they have yet and we can argue the toss about a title charge (my opinion is similar to most in that they are a 3 or 4 players off a real challenge) but it is folly to underestimate the side they are building, with or without Bale.

Don't worry, it's only us fans that are dismissive or underestimate. One thing for sure, i'm totally confident that Manuel et al
will give every team in the division the utmost respect. Then smash 'em of the park. ;-)

 

[The Future's Blue]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

Who are you, the club accountant, where the hell did you get 58 and 26 respectively, I thought it was more 62 and 19.

However, it doesn't matter about you balancing it out it just means that you've spent, so far, £60 trillion on players coming in. Nothing wrong with that mate, we saved all our money that we didn't spend all those years ago when we were sniffing around with a couple of quid. It was in the Bank of Mansour :)

I notice you've ignored the rest of the post. No matter mate, let's hope you keep that Rag beating going.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

Who are you, the club accountant, where the hell did you get 58 and 26 respectively, I thought it was more 62 and 19.

However, it doesn't matter about you balancing it out it just means that you've spent, so far, £60 trillion on players coming in. Nothing wrong with that mate, we saved all our money that we didn't spend all those years ago when we were sniffing around with a couple of quid. It was in the Bank of Mansour :)

I notice you've ignored the rest of the post. No matter mate, let's hope you keep that Rag beating going.

Well you need to spend an awful lot more if Tottenham are going to challenge for the title
I keep reading the Sheikh spent a Billion to win it

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Are Spurs trying to buy the title? I've not heard anybody denouncing their spending yet they are at the £60+ million mark.

Looks like AVB is putting a decent team together and it looks like revolution rather than evolution. The problem with it is that with so many ins and outs it takes its toll on the field. I think Spurs fans have every right to get a little giddy but I'd suggest they keep their feet on the ground.

Change is good, just be prepared to give the team time to settle in. Let's hope you can win the 4th place cup from Wenger or even the more coverted 3rd place from Moyes.

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

Who are you, the club accountant, where the hell did you get 58 and 26 respectively, I thought it was more 62 and 19.

However, it doesn't matter about you balancing it out it just means that you've spent, so far, £60 trillion on players coming in. Nothing wrong with that mate, we saved all our money that we didn't spend all those years ago when we were sniffing around with a couple of quid. It was in the Bank of Mansour :)

I notice you've ignored the rest of the post. No matter mate, let's hope you keep that Rag beating going.

In addition, Spurs received an extra £3,000,000 when Giovani Dos Santos was sold-on from Mallorca to Villarreal on 9th July.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Interesting move having a different sponsor for the cups. Lovely lolly for the club, but as always, fans who will bear the brunt should they decide they want to have a shirt (I know it's not compulsory so don't jump on me for it).

I'll be honest that I really have no love for Spurs - still scarred by '81 :) - but I think some of us are being very dismissive of them this season. Sure they need to strengthen in defence which I don't think they have yet and we can argue the toss about a title charge (my opinion is similar to most in that they are a 3 or 4 players off a real challenge) but it is folly to underestimate the side they are building, with or without Bale.

Don't worry, it's only us fans that are dismissive or underestimate. One thing for sure, i'm totally confident that Manuel et al
will give every team in the division the utmost respect. Then smash 'em of the park. ;-)

Oh yes please, I fucking hate Spurs (sorry THFC6061).

 

[The Pink Panther]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Players in: £58,500,000

Players out: £26,650,000

Balance from Summer 2012: £14,603,000

Net Spend Summer 2013: £17,247,000

Who are you, the club accountant, where the hell did you get 58 and 26 respectively, I thought it was more 62 and 19.

However, it doesn't matter about you balancing it out it just means that you've spent, so far, £60 trillion on players coming in. Nothing wrong with that mate, we saved all our money that we didn't spend all those years ago when we were sniffing around with a couple of quid. It was in the Bank of Mansour :)

I notice you've ignored the rest of the post. No matter mate, let's hope you keep that Rag beating going.

In addition, Spurs received an extra £3,000,000 when Giovani Dos Santos was sold-on from Mallorca to Villarreal on 9th July.

Which all sounds and looks great, but what's the wage bill and are agents fees included?
What are the club's operational costs?
What is the income from sponsors?
What about matchday revenue?

European income - From a £25m (ish) payout from the champs league appearance, that dropped to the Europa league. What happened to the C/L dosh?

What I'm trying to get at (pretty poorly) is that Tottenham will, by one of your charts, have a huge surplus following the relatively successful C/L campaign.
Where did the money go?

 

[THFC6061]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

Who are you, the club accountant, where the hell did you get 58 and 26 respectively, I thought it was more 62 and 19.

However, it doesn't matter about you balancing it out it just means that you've spent, so far, £60 trillion on players coming in. Nothing wrong with that mate, we saved all our money that we didn't spend all those years ago when we were sniffing around with a couple of quid. It was in the Bank of Mansour :)

I notice you've ignored the rest of the post. No matter mate, let's hope you keep that Rag beating going.

In addition, Spurs received an extra £3,000,000 when Giovani Dos Santos was sold-on from Mallorca to Villarreal on 9th July.

Which all sounds and looks great, but what's the wage bill and are agents fees included?
What are the club's operational costs?
What is the income from sponsors?
What about matchday revenue?

European income - From a <a class="postlink" href="http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Tottenham_Hotspur_v_Crystal_Palace_Match_History.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Tottenha ... story.html</a> (ish) payout from the champs league appearance, that dropped to the Europa league. What happened to the C/L dosh?

What I'm trying to get at (pretty poorly) is that Tottenham will, by one of your charts, have a huge surplus following the relatively successful C/L campaign.
Where did the money go?

All valid points, which apply equally to all football clubs doing business.

But if you go back in this thread, it was asked how Spurs could afford to spend around £60m this summer on player's transfers.

I am simply pointing-out that we've spent nowhere near this amount.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: The Tottenham Thread 13/14

In addition, Spurs received an extra £3,000,000 when Giovani Dos Santos was sold-on from Mallorca to Villarreal on 9th July.

Which all sounds and looks great, but what's the wage bill and are agents fees included?
What are the club's operational costs?
What is the income from sponsors?
What about matchday revenue?

European income - From a <a class="postlink" href="http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Tottenham_Hotspur_v_Crystal_Palace_Match_History.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Tottenha ... story.html</a> (ish) payout from the champs league appearance, that dropped to the Europa league. What happened to the C/L dosh?

What I'm trying to get at (pretty poorly) is that Tottenham will, by one of your charts, have a huge surplus following the relatively successful C/L campaign.
Where did the money go?

All valid points, which apply equally to all football clubs doing business.

But if you go back in this thread, it was asked how Spurs could afford to spend around £60m this summer on player's transfers.

I am simply pointing-out that we've spent nowhere near this amount.

Still confident about Bale?

AVB isn't....