The Tottenham Thread (Merged)

[alky313]

Under Harry, Spurs have had a net spend of just £22,230,000.

That's a tad over £7,400,000 a season....

...Peanuts by today's standards.

All you have proved there is that the total spent by 'Arry is that near £100 mill inside three years. The stockpile of players sold are still assets of the club they still had a value congratulations to the management before 'arry for building that group. Down to Levy I guess.

By using your formula or net spending Trafford United have had a net spend less than the vast majority of the PL over the last few years due largely to the sale of Ronaldo.

If you buy a new car for £20,000 but use your old car, valued at £12,000 as a trade-in, you've spent £8,000.

Yeah but in Spurs situation they've begun to fix that car, with about 5k in repairs. Now you want to buy Hazard. You'll need to update that vehicle because you bought new parts.

 

[Mikeegrini]

Under Harry, Spurs have had a net spend of just £22,230,000.

That's a tad over £7,400,000 a season....

...Peanuts by today's standards.

All you have proved there is that the total spent by 'Arry is that near £100 mill inside three years. The stockpile of players sold are still assets of the club they still had a value congratulations to the management before 'arry for building that group. Down to Levy I guess.

By using your formula or net spending Trafford United have had a net spend less than the vast majority of the PL over the last few years due largely to the sale of Ronaldo.

If you buy a new car for £20,000 but use your old car, valued at £12,000 as a trade-in, you've spent £8,000.

If you sell your old car and get the £12,000 are you £12000 in profit??

Are you bollocks because you still had to buy the car in the first place ffs

Also is that purchase list correct, I only see four players from Pompey sure there were more?? Can you give me a reference or web page?

 

[bluestreak]

Under Harry, Spurs have had a net spend of just £22,230,000.

That's a tad over £7,400,000 a season....

...Peanuts by today's standards.

All you have proved there is that the total spent by 'Arry is that near £100 mill inside three years. The stockpile of players sold are still assets of the club they still had a value congratulations to the management before 'arry for building that group. Down to Levy I guess.

By using your formula or net spending Trafford United have had a net spend less than the vast majority of the PL over the last few years due largely to the sale of Ronaldo.

If you buy a new car for £20,000 but use your old car, valued at £12,000 as a trade-in, you've spent £8,000.

Then why do the media insist that Milner cost £24 mill when we only gave Villa £16 mill plus Ireland who cost us nothing?

 

[THFC6061]

All you have proved there is that the total spent by 'Arry is that near £100 mill inside three years. The stockpile of players sold are still assets of the club they still had a value congratulations to the management before 'arry for building that group. Down to Levy I guess.

By using your formula or net spending Trafford United have had a net spend less than the vast majority of the PL over the last few years due largely to the sale of Ronaldo.

If you buy a new car for £20,000 but use your old car, valued at £12,000 as a trade-in, you've spent £8,000.

Then why do the media insist that Milner cost £24 mill when we only gave Villa £16 mill plus Ireland who cost us nothing?

If Ireland was valued at £8 million, that seems fair enough.

Ask yourself if Manchester City would have let him join any other club, other than Aston Villa, for free and you have your answer.

 

[spurspinter1]

Maybe i went a bit to far in my previous posts.

i want to sincerely apologize to our spurs members for that.

No worries mate.

Walker is most likely a bit stupid, but realistically most footballers are pretty stupid.

I can understand the Spurs dislike in terms of 1981, perfectly understandable, if that had happened to my team I'd probably annually burn effegies of Ricky Villa

But it's the hatred because of Harry and the media that I don't understand fully.

But obviously I'm biased, I can't really seperate myself from my loyalty to Spurs to be able to judge whether I'd dislike Harry if I was a fan of another club. Sure he does talk too much about players under contract, and I'm not a massive fan of that, but most managers do it, harry more than most admittedly

I think many just take the headlines of what he says without really reading/listening to his comments to fully understand what he is saying. It is for the same reason that in my opinion many are starting to a tad annoyed with Mancini, many use the headline summary as an excuse to not like him when his comments aren't as rash as the papers make out.

In terms of the court case and all that stuff it does worry me slightly. Fair enough to anyone who has a background in that kind of work and has a wealth of knowlege about tax evasion/fraud/whatever and developed an opinion on recent events but it's worrying the amount of people I saw that said "I haven't followed the case at all but I'm sure he's guilty". Opinions on such important things should be earnt, which is why it worries me that the people who don't attempt to enrich their knowlege on issues but chose to make a rash uninformed and unearnt opinion have the same amount of power as someone who does in a democracy. My apologies for getting all preachy!

 

[Castiel]

Can somebody please tell me what the fuck happened in 81? Its talked about like the holocaust here. Whispers of some horrific event sparking the otherwise irrational blood-feud between City and Spurs.

 

[AJ101]

Spurs fans,

How can you justify the massive growth in total wages under Harry Redknapp. And do you truly feel comfortable with signing Eden Hazard at higher wages than almost all of your top earners?

There has been no massive growth in our wages, the 2011 accounts on first sight would seem to indicate this but it's due to the bonuses activated by our league position and CL qualification. If we hadn't of qualified then there would have been no significant increase in wages.

When the next set of accounts are published it will show figures more in line of the 2010 accounts, they may be ~10% lower or higher but this is dependent on how the wages(and fees) of loan players such as Adebayor,Jenas, Bentley and to a lesser extent Bassong, Pienaar and the youngsters are accounted for.

I expect Levy to raise the maximum base salary (currently ~£65k-£70k pw) to around £100k (but I would expect any existing players who move on to a new contract that's approaching this maximum would have their current bonuses reduced). Hazard or whoever we sign in the summer would have to fit in to this salary cap.

 

[zeven]

Can somebody please tell me what the fuck happened in 81? Its talked about like the holocaust here. Whispers of some horrific event sparking the otherwise irrational blood-feud between City and Spurs.

FA cup final, goal of the century :) i believe this is what our friend is refering to.

 

[mancboy123]

For me I dont understand why you are signing hazard if you are on the kind of wages which he will want, if he is a midfielder or a winger then surely that will impact on bale or modric, if you do end up signing adebayor then he will want parity with hazard there is no way he will take that kind of wage drop if he gets parity then bale will want it and if i was modric or parker id want it to.

I know spurs fans have a view of their club like we all do that the players are fans and they play for the love of the club but real world it aint like that and the fact is if you want to sign top players they are going to want big wages that are comparable to other players at similar clubs and the dressing room wont stand for that unfortunately and while they not want comparable wages in terms of exactly the same you can be they will want similar.

Also in terms of signing hazard if what he is said is true and that he wants to sign for spurs because they will guarantee him game time and cl football next year is that really the attitude u want coming into the club as he is basically not backing his own talent to make a starting place his own in any of the other clubs interested etc.

 

[AJ101]

All you have proved there is that the total spent by 'Arry is that near £100 mill inside three years. The stockpile of players sold are still assets of the club they still had a value congratulations to the management before 'arry for building that group. Down to Levy I guess.

By using your formula or net spending Trafford United have had a net spend less than the vast majority of the PL over the last few years due largely to the sale of Ronaldo.

If you buy a new car for £20,000 but use your old car, valued at £12,000 as a trade-in, you've spent £8,000.

I don't know the details of this transfer but the way transfer like this work for Ltd. companies is that both players are traded at a value, so in this case I'm presuming Milner was bought for £24m by Man City and Ireland was bought for £8m by Villa.

If you inherited a diamond necklace worth £1m and then swapped it for a house you would still have to pay stamp duty on £1m, just because the necklace didn't cost you anything doesn't mean it has no value. (Unless you're Harry of course in which case you can argue you're not a diamond or house expert and the owner was a really good friend of yours! j/k and I accept no liabilities if you're actually named Harry and try this...)

For me I dont understand why you are signing hazard if you are on the kind of wages which he will want, if he is a midfielder or a winger then surely that will impact on bale or modric, if you do end up signing adebayor then he will want parity with hazard there is no way he will take that kind of wage drop if he gets parity then bale will want it and if i was modric or parker id want it to.

I know spurs fans have a view of their club like we all do that the players are fans and they play for the love of the club but real world it aint like that and the fact is if you want to sign top players they are going to want big wages that are comparable to other players at similar clubs and the dressing room wont stand for that unfortunately and while they not want comparable wages in terms of exactly the same you can be they will want similar.

Also in terms of signing hazard if what he is said is true and that he wants to sign for spurs because they will guarantee him game time and cl football next year is that really the attitude u want coming into the club as he is basically not backing his own talent to make a starting place his own in any of the other clubs interested etc.

To be honest reading that made my head hurt but here goes...

What kind of wages are you expecting Hazard to be asking for? Ozil went to Real Madrid with a similar reputation and after an excellent world cup and is on ~£85k per week I don't see what's so different about the two players to argue that wages should be vastly different.

As I said above we'll probably be raising our wage cap to around £100k per week if Hazard or Adebayor want more than that then Levy will tell them to jog on.

I don't have a problem with young players wanting more game time otherwise we'd end up with a league of Wayne Bridges :-)

 

[moomba]

And David Bentley's.

 

[AJ101]

And David Bentley's.

Indeed add in Cudicini and you've got the basis of a balanced team.

 

[mancboy123]

If Hazard has been enquired about by city and cfc and other clubs such as barcelona etc then he will be wanting 135 k a week plus at an absolute minimum. With all due respect to compare the transfer of ozil to RM to the transfer of Hazard to yourselves is laughable.

If you sign Hazard it will be a feather in your cap it was a feather in ozils cap to go and play for Madrid so the two transfers in terms of wage demands are incomparable.

You may well raise your salary cap to 100k well done you but you will be telling alot of players to jog on by doing so because if thats your salary cap and your fighting others for players then other teams will outbid you and you will end up with who others dont want instead of the cream of the crop.

Im not sure what you didnt understand about my post or why it made your head hurt and you are right there is nothing wrong with players wanting game time. I am suggesting that the attitude of the player in going to a club where is guaranteed game time instead of backing his own talent to secure game time in a better squad is perhaps the wrong attitude when coming into a squad.

 

[Matty]

If a club has a self imposed salary cap then, by definition, they will be pricing themselves out of the market for the very best players in the world. The best players want the top wages, and certain clubs will pay them what they want. Madrid, Barca, City, United, Bayern, AC etc etc will all have players on their books who earn more than £100k a week, each one of those players will not be an option for Spurs if they won't pay their players more than £100k a week. It may be financially prudent to have the cap, but it will hamper attempts to become a true European force.

 

[malg]

Maybe my post drifted a bit off topic. I just saw my chance to get my dislike of spurs off my chest.

a couple of things i will try to make more clear.

1, my impression, Arry is unable to change tactics according to opposition or under play.
its like he put on a game from the 70s, on TV and thats it and the tacical aspects of his job is done. You are very close to the new arsenal in that regard.

2, Have you ever read qoutes from Walker? sorry to say it but the guy is stupid beyond belief.

3 Your lack of a target man last season proves my point regarding your tactics and style of play. how many goals come from your strikes? i bet it could have been more by changing tactics or a striker that actually worked with your current tactics (mention in my previous post) its not that Defoe is a bad player, because hes not.

4, I never said City play like/ecually good football as barca? i said i prefer pass and move possesion based football like barca, old arsenal and the way City try to play.


last i want to point out, that hope you dont take it personally because i like you as a member on this forum! its just your team and manager i cant come around to like.

Right, I'm not into Twitter, and won't ever be either, as I don't give a monkeys ball sack what football players, or asshole celebrities have to say. However, that post above by Walker is bad initially, but he does appear to apologise further down?

 

[AJ101]

If a club has a self imposed salary cap then, by definition, they will be pricing themselves out of the market for the very best players in the world. The best players want the top wages, and certain clubs will pay them what they want. Madrid, Barca, City, United, Bayern, AC etc etc will all have players on their books who earn more than £100k a week, each one of those players will not be an option for Spurs if they won't pay their players more than £100k a week. It may be financially prudent to have the cap, but it will hamper attempts to become a true European force.

This has been the case in the 25 years I've been supporting Spurs, it's nothing new. Any club without external artifical funding has to balance their books resulting in salary caps (whether that's per player or for the squad as a whole),
I'm not having a go at City here but you're basically belittling us because we have to balance our books.

The only way we can get world class players is by:

1. Developing them all the way through the youth team, only King and Campbell would have realistically could have been a starter at those clubs you mention from what we've developed in the last 20 years. We're just opening a state of the art training and youth academy so hopefully this will improve the numbers coming through.

2. Buying players young from smaller teams when they first show promise, this seems to have been the Levy method ie. Lennon, Bale, Huddlestone, Dawson, Walker, Sandro. I'm not saying they're all world class but they're all starters/bench players for Spurs and cost about £22m combined off the top of my head.

3. Spend decent sums on players proven in other leagues but perhaps haven't got the recognition due to not having the chance to perform in the CL/Internationals ie. Berbatov, Modric year in year out I know both were internationals and Berb had played in the CL before we signed them but not THAT much.

I think Hazard would have fitted in to category 3 if it wasn't for his participation in the CL this year obviously he was known about like Berbatov and Modric but his value has probably gone up 50% in the last season.

If we don't get him we don't get him but you can't just throw financial planning out the window just because there's a new shinny player available otherwise you turn in to Leeds.

 

[mancboy123]

I dont think we are having a pop at you that you have to balance your books that is fine you have to do that. Its that your manager and chairman never shut up about it, there are plenty of other clubs who have to balance their books with much tighter constraints than you guys but its not an excuse as to why they didnt get that player or this player.

 

[zeven]

Maybe my post drifted a bit off topic. I just saw my chance to get my dislike of spurs off my chest.

a couple of things i will try to make more clear.

1, my impression, Arry is unable to change tactics according to opposition or under play.
its like he put on a game from the 70s, on TV and thats it and the tacical aspects of his job is done. You are very close to the new arsenal in that regard.

2, Have you ever read qoutes from Walker? sorry to say it but the guy is stupid beyond belief.

3 Your lack of a target man last season proves my point regarding your tactics and style of play. how many goals come from your strikes? i bet it could have been more by changing tactics or a striker that actually worked with your current tactics (mention in my previous post) its not that Defoe is a bad player, because hes not.

4, I never said City play like/ecually good football as barca? i said i prefer pass and move possesion based football like barca, old arsenal and the way City try to play.


last i want to point out, that hope you dont take it personally because i like you as a member on this forum! its just your team and manager i cant come around to like.

Right, I'm not into Twitter, and won't ever be either, as I don't give a monkeys ball sack what football players, or asshole celebrities have to say. However, that post above by Walker is bad initially, but he does appear to apologise further down?

As you can see in my latest post, where i aplogize. I did went to far and im well aware of that. cheers.

 

[AJ101]

I dont think we are having a pop at you that you have to balance your books that is fine you have to do that. Its that your manager and chairman never shut up about it, there are plenty of other clubs who have to balance their books with much tighter constraints than you guys but its not an excuse as to why they didnt get that player or this player.

Granted Harry does go on about it too much but he never shuts his mouth about anything :-) I'm not sure Levy talks about it or anything else for that matter to the press too much and when he does surely that's part of his job as chairman (balancing the book that is not making excuses for not signing joe bloggs).

As you can see in my latest post, where i aplogize. I did went to far and im well aware of that. cheers.

I think he was referring to the screen shots of Walkers tweets. Not sure if they're actually in time sequence or anything just a couple of different tweets showing his lack of spelling and grammar.

I don't use twitter though so I don't really know if Walker was apologising or not.

 

[Bobby Taylor's Pub Team]

Any club without external artifical funding has to balance their books resulting in salary caps

External artificial funding? What's that then? Investment?