And why is it OK to ask everyone else to pay for them while they turn jobs down?
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The unemployment fudge
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And why is it OK to ask everyone else to pay for them while they turn jobs down?
But doesn't that depend on whether she can find the right job that fits in with what she is doing which is looking for a job that she is qualified in? The majority of people don't want to be signing on it I have done it at one part in my life many years ago. Just shoe horning people into any job that comes up to get them off the unemployment stats is plain wrong.
It isn't plain and wrong.
The state isn't there to cradle you and pay for you whilst you find a cushty job you might fancy. The state is there to help you and support you in finding a job where you can sustain yourself and at that point maybe you can find the job you fancy?
We have all been there and unfortunately the reality of life is no-one gets anywhere without being prepared to work towards it.
And why is it OK to ask everyone else to pay for them while they turn jobs down?
Because its better to pay for them for 6 weeks and them get the right job, the man for 5 weeks and have then back again 3 months down the line.
And you don't really pay for benefits. At least no more than you pay for attack helicopters or corporate tax dodging.
Because its better to pay for them for 6 weeks and them get the right job, the man for 5 weeks and have then back again 3 months down the line.
And you don't really pay for benefits. At least no more than you pay for attack helicopters or corporate tax dodging.
Why would they come back?
What about paying them nothing where they get a job fast and then a few months later they then get the job they want?
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When I was at senior school the numbers were around 5%, personally, I think Blair's 50% is a ridiculous figure,When I graduated about 20% went to university. Now it's about 50%. That's a wonderful thing, but imagining the number of "graduate" jobs has magically increased in the same way is a fantasy.
People compete for jobs. It was ever thus.
and nobody should expect the taxpayer to fund them in their search for the perfect job, if that job is in an industry
that's massively oversubscribed, or has very limited vacancies.
When I was at senior school the numbers were around 5%, personally, I think Blair's 50% is a ridiculous figure,
and nobody should expect the taxpayer to fund them in their search for the perfect job, if that job is in an industry
that's massively oversubscribed, or has very limited vacancies.
One thing we have in this country which reflects well on all governments over the last 25 years is how easy it is to set up your own business, compared to just about every other European country. It takes 10 minutes and costs £12. In Germany you go through endless bureaucratic hoops and have to put thousands into an escrow fund, similar in France.
Here, you come up with a name, fill in a form online that's straightforward, and you're off. It's been made as easy as it can possibly be to do it. Which doesn't make running a business easy at all of course, but it does mean it's encouraged. Which is why so many do it.
What about paying them nothing where they get a job fast and then a few months later they then get the job they want?
Because it turns out that if you let people starve then they generally turn to crime, it effects the prosperity of their children and the state as a whole becomes overburdened and suffers.
Why would they come back?
Because they have a job that they aren't suited for and employers aren't stupid.
It’s what I did whilst waiting for the “perfect” job for me even though I didn’t particularly enjoy the work nor the hours. But it kept me from ever having to sign on after uni and gave me some measure of financial independence.
Nothing wrong with any of that but back then you didn't have this vile system in place which is forcing people into any job regardless. I accept the fact that there were some p*ss takers back in the day probably are still some now I know that from first hand experience (my wife is an adult social worker). But the pendulum a bit of common sense would tell that for some occupations you need to attend tests followed by a series of interview which does take time. The problem is not every employer is understanding enough to give a person the night off before so that they can prepare themselves for an interview and test day. So which then puts someone in the dilemma of not only are they under pressure to either go in and some how be mentally prepared after a few hours sleep to take part in an assessment. Or do they risk getting sacked from the shitty ZHC bar work, be unable to claim dole and not get the job they are going for as well.
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Can't agree with this, what you're effectively saying is that whatever you have a degree in, or whatever qualificationBecause it turns out that if you let people starve then they generally turn to crime, it effects the prosperity of their children and the state as a whole becomes overburdened and suffers.
Because they have a job that they aren't suited for and employers aren't stupid.
you have, the taxpayer should support you until you've got the exact job you want. That's totally unsustainable,and unachievable,
and, as people have said on here, they've worked in available menial jobs and waited until the right opportunities came.
Flippant example, but because you have a degree in media studies, for example, doesn't mean you have the right to be
employed by Reuters.
It isn't plain and wrong.
The state isn't there to cradle you and pay for you whilst you find a cushty job you might fancy. The state is there to help you and support you in finding a job where you can sustain yourself and at that point maybe you can find the job you fancy?
We have all been there and unfortunately the reality of life is no-one gets anywhere without being prepared to work towards it.
And I am supposed you are sat there in your ivory tower having found your job back before this shit shower came in.