denislawsbackheel
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And makes it easy to fuck over dozens of suppliers and creditors and walk away from your debts and makes guarantees worthless.
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The unemployment fudge
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And makes it easy to fuck over dozens of suppliers and creditors and walk away from your debts and makes guarantees worthless.
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Similar thing happened to me. I was turned down by one site of the company, got a job at another site off the same company then the site where I was working shut down and I ended up working at the site I originally applied to (via a couple of other sites)!Graduate jobs are unfortunately a fantasy and the graduate market in general is just a total con in the way it is sold to students because there are just too many graduates. I knew many people who refused to work on the minimum wage and viewed the job market as cruel to them because they have a degree and are somehow owed a ticket to a high flyer job. As you might guess none of them ever got that magic job either.
Your daughter is doing the right thing in keeping going, it is hard but hard work always pays off and the opportunities are there. She will go far if she keeps her head down, keeps searching and isn't afraid to start somewhere which might not be great but might open a door to elsewhere.
I gave up on the graduate job search after finishing uni and started in my first job in engineering as a trainee on £16k and 2 years later I moved to the company I am at now on £34k. The biggest irony for me is the company I am at rejected my graduate application barely 5 years ago and a bit of my job now is to mentor graduate engineers!
From what you've said previously, I think we work for the same company.
Back to graduate jobs - it all depends on the course done at uni. A degree in history will put you in the same pool with 80% of other graduates with only the ones with the highest grades and ability to present themselves well will get a decent job. A degree in something more vocational such as engineering is more likely to get you a job that you want.
And why is it OK to ask everyone else to pay for them while they turn jobs down?
Because you are making a broad brush selfish assumptions without thinking this through.
And makes it easy to fuck over dozens of suppliers and creditors and walk away from your debts and makes guarantees worthless.
No it doesn't. If you do that then you get banned from being a director. The laws around repeatedly creating businesses were tightened up years ago. Businesses fail, that's the nature of them. You can get insurance against non-payment of debts.
It is always striking how hostile to business some people are who then want to be given a job by them.
Because you are making a broad brush selfish assumptions without thinking this through.
No, I've been there and in that position. Don't assume.
I wonder how much of it comes down to union membership too. There's currently a dispute going on in Ireland about archaeologists working on building sites. To do that job, you need at least a masters and many have a PhD. And yet they're frequently earning under the living wage and barely more than the minimum wage. And crucially, they were earning less than contractors working on the same site driving diggers, or what have you. It turns out the contractors were unionized and archaeologists weren't. So there was a campaign to get them unionized, and now there's a big fight going on, but one of the biggest companies has increased wages as a result (still to pathetic levels for people with 4-7 years of specialized training, admittedly). They're certainly not the only example of highly-skilled workers not being given wages and benefits that reflect their level of expertise and training. Academia is full of shitty, temporary contracts, even at a time of soaring tuition fees and record student numbers. And increasing workloads for doctors and teachers have coincided with the government's attempts to undermine unions. The proliferation of academies, for example, has allowed schools to bypass previously agreed pay and conditions that applied either nationally or locally. And there is certainly a belief in teaching circles that some schools want to replaced highly experienced (and therefore highly paid) members of teaching staff with newer teachers who will accept worse conditions (in addition to being cheaper anyway) and there are plenty of anecdotes of teachers who are simply given a workload so overwhelming that they'll quit.
I don’t disagree with a word of that.
Very good post.
why?
Because I work in recruitment and have done for years and may be able to offer some advice.
Can't agree with this, what you're effectively saying is that whatever you have a degree in, or whatever qualification
you have, the taxpayer should support you until you've got the exact job you want. That's totally unsustainable,and unachievable,
and, as people have said on here, they've worked in available menial jobs and waited until the right opportunities came.
Flippant example, but because you have a degree in media studies, for example, doesn't mean you have the right to be
employed by Reuters.
I'm with you on that, I was pointing out that if you're in an unsuited job then it's very likely that your employer will notice this and want to recruit somebody who is more suited to the role.
It's better for everybody involved if the Media Studies person were to take 6 weeks to get a £40,000 a year job than take 3 weeks to a £8.00 p/h one. Higher tax revenues, leaves unskilled job available for young people or unskilled labour force, which means 2 people off the books rather than one, etc.
As you know it's something I've come up against recently and, in my area at least, I can't get a job in McDonalds because I'm seen as overqualified and somebody who is going to walk out in a month when they find a better job. It's a problem actually.
I'm with you on that, I was pointing out that if you're in an unsuited job then it's very likely that your employer will notice this and want to recruit somebody who is more suited to the role.
It's better for everybody involved if the Media Studies person were to take 6 weeks to get a £40,000 a year job than take 3 weeks to a £8.00 p/h one. Higher tax revenues, leaves unskilled job available for young people or unskilled labour force, which means 2 people off the books rather than one, etc.
As you know it's something I've come up against recently and, in my area at least, I can't get a job in McDonalds because I'm seen as overqualified and somebody who is going to walk out in a month when they find a better job. It's a problem actually.
It is a problem. Been there and viewed as overqualified for everything. Actually, I inadvertently made it worse for myself by taking out mortgage protection insurance that seems like a great idea, but what it means is that you can't take bar work or something like that because it cancels the insurance - you can only take a job that pays enough to make it worthwhile. Lesson learned there.
I'd say if we knew they'd get that £40k job then pretty much everyone would agree with you that's better. A lot of it comes down to the individual - I don't believe there are very many "spongers" out there, most people want to work. The long term unemployed are a bigger issue, because they get caught in a trap.
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Yes, I agree, to a point, 6 weeks, or even 3 months may be acceptable, what isn't is claiming benefits indefinitely,I'm with you on that, I was pointing out that if you're in an unsuited job then it's very likely that your employer will notice this and want to recruit somebody who is more suited to the role.
It's better for everybody involved if the Media Studies person were to take 6 weeks to get a £40,000 a year job than take 3 weeks to a £8.00 p/h one. Higher tax revenues, leaves unskilled job available for young people or unskilled labour force, which means 2 people off the books rather than one, etc.
As you know it's something I've come up against recently and, in my area at least, I can't get a job in McDonalds because I'm seen as overqualified and somebody who is going to walk out in a month when they find a better job. It's a problem actually.
hoping your preferred employer appears. You may well be in a job that's you're unsuited to, it's a fact the vast majority
of folk are doing jobs because they have to, not because they want to.
Your predicament is probably the worst, particularly if you're of a certain age, discrimination is rife, but although illegal,
is impossible to police, so I do have sympathy.