The worst thing about farcical officiating

[Tourist since 1971]

The best thing about it was that now we’ll be really really fucking angry. It’s just the re motivation we needed.

By 'we' I hope you mean the players - they could do with a kick up the arse

 

[Blueboy73]

I understand the point Gallagher makes to justify why VAR didn't get involved, but I am absolutely certain they have got involved with subjective offside decisions in the past.

The reason this is bizarre is that the clarification to the rules was never intended to cover a player running 30 yards within inches of the ball. It was because you commonly get goals scored in the box with multiple players about, and often one will try and play the ball but miss, or will be standing close to the keeper's eyeline. I am certain that we've seen refs go to monitors to look at whether an offside player was involved in play when the ball has been crossed into a crowded box.

Offside is objective not subjective, the rules are there in black and white and there is no grey area
Rashford was offside - confirmed by replays and the lineman flag.
He was interfering with play - shielding the ball by continuing to run between Akanji and the ball, thus preventing Akanji gaining possession. The lying bastard even tried to claim he stopped running when interviewed!
He gained an advantage - shielding the ball, stopping Akanji and Ederson getting to the ball by continuing his run, distracting Akanji, Ederson and possibly Walker.
His actions were an obvious action which clearly impacts the ability of an opponent to play the ball - dummying to shoot, shielding the ball from Akanji which stopped him getting to it and running towards goal which stopped Ederson coming out and gaining possession.
Ederson wouldn't know if he was offside or not, Akanji suspected he was offside but played to the whistle and knew he would be penalised regardless if he committed a foul meaning all he could do was follow Rashford (who stopped Akanji gaining possession from an offside position)
The linesman delayed his flag as instructed then raised it at the end of the phase as he knew it was offside.
The problem was Attwell failing to apply the laws, took him literally seconds to over rule his linesman despite being well away from the action.

 

[radcliffe1309]

He's not....he's behind the ball percy

 

[Ribble73]

Sadly, I think Rashford was *just* onside for that goal. I still reckon we don’t concede that without the unjust farce of the first (which broke our rhythm, altered our collective mental state, and swung momentum completely to United, especially after they realised they got the referee to change the decisions).

Buy from an isolated fairness point of view, his second was good.

It also got the silent hoards of Old Trafford going after we’d spent the entire game up until then successfully taking them out of the equation altogether

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I agree with everybody, the first goal was offside no doubt, however no one is talking about the second goal, was that offside, watch the highlights in slow motion, Rashford wanders offside twice before the ball is crossed, just check on the official city website, slow it down its questionable ???, I don't think it has been questioned.

He was behind the ball….

This is another ridiculous quirk of the current interpretation.

He was behind the ball when it was played but, before that, he gained an advantage by being in an offside position. It was like a goal that Jesus scored against West Ham on the opening day a few seasons ago. He was stood well offside, didn't move but was just behind the ball when Sterling crossed to him.

Let's look at a more extreme example. One team has a corner and their opponents defending it leave their striker stood at the other end of the field and a pacy winger just inside their own half. They clear the corner up to the winger, who's onside as he's in his own half. He then legs it downfield and as soon as he's a foot in front of his striker teammate, he crosses to him while the opposition are still getting back and he scores.

Under the current law, the striker is onside and the goal stands, even though the striker has never at any point had two opposition players between him and the goal line. That's nonsensical.

 

[woody1968]

If Akanji takes Rashford down then we get a free kick for offside - I think ?

 

[Ribble73]

Offside is objective not subjective, the rules are there in black and white and there is no grey areaView attachment 66224
Rashford was offside - confirmed by replays and the lineman flag.
He was interfering with play - shielding the ball by continuing to run between Akanji and the ball, thus preventing Akanji gaining possession. The lying bastard even tried to claim he stopped running when interviewed!
He gained an advantage - shielding the ball, stopping Akanji and Ederson getting to the ball by continuing his run, distracting Akanji, Ederson and possibly Walker.
His actions were an obvious action which clearly impacts the ability of an opponent to play the ball - dummying to shoot, shielding the ball from Akanji which stopped him getting to it and running towards goal which stopped Ederson coming out and gaining possession.
Ederson wouldn't know if he was offside or not, Akanji suspected he was offside but played to the whistle and knew he would be penalised regardless if he committed a foul meaning all he could do was follow Rashford (who stopped Akanji gaining possession from an offside position)
The linesman delayed his flag as instructed then raised it at the end of the phase as he knew it was offside.
The problem was Attwell failing to apply the laws, took him literally seconds to over rule his linesman despite being well away from the action.

Attwell was utterly biased throughout the game and the Goal was the culmination of his entire performance. He’d ignored Malacia’s sole tactic of fouling Mahrez throughout the game and allowed a few out of control lunges by Ratface to go completely unpunished. To win at OT we have to take the cheating of the Officials out of the equation as we’ve done so well recently but on Saturday we didn’t do this. Attwell will no doubt get many future assignments from Howard Webb to Stretford on the back of his performance on Saturday

 

[christened at st marks]

Even at The Etihad against Scouse or Rags every time we would be off side

 

[Blueboy73]

Attwell was utterly biased throughout the game and the Goal was the culmination of his entire performance. He’d ignored Malacia’s sole tactic of fouling Mahrez throughout the game and allowed a few out of control lunges by Ratface to go completely unpunished. To win at OT we have to take the cheating of the Officials out of the equation as we’ve done so well recently but on Saturday we didn’t do this. Attwell will no doubt get many future assignments from Howard Webb to Stretford on the back of his performance on Saturday

If Webb gets to choose refs for cup games as well as the league then Twatwell is nailed on for the carabou Cup final if the scum manage to get past the mighty Forest.

 

[Blueboy73]

If Akanji takes Rashford down then we get a free kick for offside - I think ?

No, a foul is given to the attacker even though he's in an offside position but it's the law.
Akanji knew this which is why he didn't just wipe him out.
The offside law (law 11) is objective not subjective.
All this bollocks about subjective and grey areas is a red herring used to try and deflect from the simple fact that Attwell failed to implement the laws of the game.