They should listen to Obama

I shall ignore your derogatory tone and stick to courteous debate. If you could do the same that would be great.
You seem to think that all that guns are designed for, is to kill or maim. I would suggest they are what is known as a force equaliser or force multiplier. For example, a woman who is attacked by a rapist can defend herself against an assailant who is much stronger than her.
For example, 4 robbers break into a 70 year old mans house. With a gun he can defend his life and property. Without it, much like the woman in the above example, they are unable to defend themselves and are subject to whatever the criminal chooses.
Example #3. Hitler and fascism rise in power and the world defends itself through legal force against violence. So if you enjoy the freedoms of your country, you should realise that freedom was fought for, and many died but ultimately we won, thanks to guns.
This freedom, allows you and your lesbian partner Cumshot to live in peace and enjoy long walks and sushi in cuckoo land.
So it's by accident that 30,000 Americans are killed each year by guns then?

That's a price worth paying is it?

And you kept it very courteous with your homophobic reply you fucking idiot.
 
So it's by accident that 30,000 Americans are killed each year by guns then?

That's a price worth paying is it?

And you kept it very courteous with your homophobic reply you fucking idiot.

Any death is regrettable in my eyes. I want everyone to live long fulfilling lives so if some one comes at me cos they want my wallet, car, wife, possessions and are willing to kill me or my loved ones, I would like a means to stop them whether it is one or 5 assailants. If you were in Cologne on New Years or at that Sweden music festival and saw multiple sexual assaults or rapes you would not be able to do anything about it. I like to think that if I could, I would. Unarmed, you would be dealt with quite quickly.

30,000 deaths by guns? Of course it's not ok. Are you as angry about the 30,000 plus deaths by car accidents every year? I don't see your morale crusade on that front you faux angry indignant moralist.

Also, do you know how many of those 30,000 were suicides? Do you know how many were by gangs shooting each other up every weekend in Cities like Chicago? Do you know many were killed cops?

And your final comment about making homophobic comments? You don't understand jest nor banter, it would seem, you sopping wet Womans Weekly!
 
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I heard a spokesman, I think from the NRA, saying that the vast majority of gun deaths are criminal on criminal related,
and that most Americans, (and most anybody really), don't give a shit about that, which is a fair point, if true.
Maybe someone with better comp skills than I can check and clarify.
 
Any death is regrettable in my eyes. I want everyone to live long fulfilling lives so if some one comes at me cos they want my wallet, car, wife, possessions and are willing to kill me or my loved ones, I would like a means to stop them whether it is one or 5 assailants. If you were in Cologne on New Years or at that Sweden music festival and saw multiple sexual assaults or rapes you would not be able to do anything about it. I like to think that if I could, I would. Unarmed, you would be dealt with quite quickly.

30,000 deaths by guns? Of course it's not ok. Are you as angry about the 30,000 plus deaths by car accidents every year? I don't see your morale crusade on that front you faux angry indignant moralist.

And your final comment about making homophobic comments? You don't understand jest nor banter, it would seem, you sopping wet Womans Weekly!
I'll see you homophobia, and I'll raise you the mention of Hitler. Incredible. Why do people always mention Hitler/Nazis when discussing a point they know to be wrong? Guns in America are clearly not a force leveller, the idea of it was, but it has not worked out that way
 
I'll see you homophobia, and I'll raise you the mention of Hitler. Incredible. Why do people always mention Hitler/Nazis when discussing a point they know to be wrong? Guns in America are clearly not a force leveller, the idea of it was, but it has not worked out that way

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
I agree entirely. That has nothing to do with the failure of America's gun policy in making ownership of them a 'force leveller'. It has demonstrably made it the opposite. Think of it like Sean Connery talking in The Untouchables, about you bring a knife, they bring a gun etc. There is nowhere to go once guns come into it, and once people feel culturally that they can have one, its obvious that its not going to end well. You mentioned burglars in your post, and people being able to defend themselves and their homes by having guns. I cannot get my head round that at all, and nobody hates burglars more than me I can you tell you that for fact. But burglars in the UK dont feel the need to arm themselves, probably because they know the occupier of a house isnt going to have a gun, and the whole notion of being a burglar is to be quiet, unnoticed and creeping in and out, not charging after occupants with weapons.
House burglaries still happen in America. So how has gun ownership proven to be a force leveller in any way?
 
Any death is regrettable in my eyes. I want everyone to live long fulfilling lives so if some one comes at me cos they want my wallet, car, wife, possessions and are willing to kill me or my loved ones, I would like a means to stop them whether it is one or 5 assailants. If you were in Cologne on New Years or at that Sweden music festival and saw multiple sexual assaults or rapes you would not be able to do anything about it. I like to think that if I could, I would. Unarmed, you would be dealt with quite quickly.

30,000 deaths by guns? Of course it's not ok. Are you as angry about the 30,000 plus deaths by car accidents every year? I don't see your morale crusade on that front you faux angry indignant moralist.

Also, do you know how many of those 30,000 were suicides? Do you know how many were by gangs shooting each other up every weekend in Cities like Chicago? Do you know many were killed cops?

And your final comment about making homophobic comments? You don't understand jest nor banter, it would seem, you sopping wet Womans Weekly!
So because all your women are armed, they are less likely to be groped (not backed up by stats) but 200 x more likely to be shot.

Excellent.
 
Such as the 30,000 killed by guns every year. Totally agree.

At least having a gun makes your family safer though:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-intruder-who-turned-out-to-be-his-teen-son/

Oh....

So you still ignore the 30,000 car deaths?

Like I said, any needless death is tragic but you cannot stop the right of say 300 million people to stop driving just because of 30,000 + deaths..... Same with guns. Same with swimming pools.

I can find just as many stories where having a gun has saved people from being raped, killed.....
 

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