Things we wont say about Race that are true!!

[Balti]

We need Diane Abbot to offer some balance.

she has much to balance tbf

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

That's probably the hardest thing to get your head around in the entire debate - we're racist because we live in a society that is unconsciously racist even if we ourselves don't consider ourselves to be racist.

I've come across this view a few times now, and I did an online test from some academic institution that framed it's 'answers' (results? methodology? conclusions? assumptions?) in those terms - so I guess it's social science orthodoxy. I strongly disagree, however. I know evolutionary anthropology is a minefield, but for me, there is every reason to believe this is a hardwired response to phsyical traits, beyond the usual 'perception of otherness'.

Not that whites are programmed to be uneasy with black people, but that people subconciously recognise the physical traits that they share with family (1st) and social contacts (2nd) - and that we unconciously recognise physical traits shared by 'others'. Those physical traits, like it or not, do go beyond skin colour. For me, society's role is in deciding what socio-cultural traits we ascribe to these other groups. But the grouping by physical traits, and the disgust response to visual cues of same traits - it'd take a hell of an argument to convince me that wasn't a product of our descent.

In other words, I'm of the old school, Bertrand Russell and the other post-war crew - mankind has many unpleasant traits of his own without society's influence - to think we can perfect man through society is unrealistic and like all unrealistic goals that promise transcendance of inate undesirable human traits, unethical, the very starting point for totalitarianism and license for inhuman treatment. So I suppose that's my problem with the focus on society's role. Racism will always be a tendency - even if people were educated, there are many for whom it wouldn't make any difference. Society's only realistic role is in not pandering to that, and reaffirming the equivalency of citizens through absolutely equal rights and treatment. Change beyond that, or beyond simple education and appeal to our better nature, is not within the scope or reach of the state, as the root of the problem is within individual human personalities.

Maybe you didn't see the programme but you two sound just like the folk Philips was criticising. You have made a whole aura around the word racist as if it is automatically a bad thing to want to associate with others of the same race or religion etc as yourself and that Blairs multi cultural society where we all join hands and live side by side is the only way forward. What the programme said was that is nonsense. Most people WANT to live with similar folk and not have lots of different people in their area. So you get the situation where all cultures mix during the day at work or college or whatever but then go home to their own areas. That doesn't necessarly mean they are ghettos. He also said that at all levels of society from education, to social services and so on that we have become terrified of confronting anyone who isn't white British because they are afraid of being called racist and the same British white kids are left behind with their education because the immigrants have been given priority.

The sense of frustration in the indigenous population is what as led to the rise of UKIP

 

[101toMR]

The sense of frustration in the indigenous population is what as led to the rise of UKIP

Someone could be along shortly to explain AGAIN that we as British people don't deserve to be thought of as indigenous.
I personally don't believe that non- integration has much to do with race as it has to do with culture and religion (Both are heavily inter-twined)
And I can't see that a society which is so split with different values and goals can flourish.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The sense of frustration in the indigenous population is what as led to the rise of UKIP

Someone could be along shortly to explain AGAIN that we as British people don't deserve to be thought of as indigenous.
I personally don't believe that non- integration has much to do with race as it has to do with culture and religion (Both are heavily inter-twined)
And I can't see that a society which is so split with different values and goals can flourish.

Did you see the programme?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Abbot is currently being owned on This Week.

 

[101toMR]

The sense of frustration in the indigenous population is what as led to the rise of UKIP

Someone could be along shortly to explain AGAIN that we as British people don't deserve to be thought of as indigenous.
I personally don't believe that non- integration has much to do with race as it has to do with culture and religion (Both are heavily inter-twined)
And I can't see that a society which is so split with different values and goals can flourish.

Did you see the programme?

No mate.
Was it a high brow offering or was it like meet the Kippers but with a different slant?

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Someone could be along shortly to explain AGAIN that we as British people don't deserve to be thought of as indigenous.
I personally don't believe that non- integration has much to do with race as it has to do with culture and religion (Both are heavily inter-twined)
And I can't see that a society which is so split with different values and goals can flourish.

Did you see the programme?

No mate.
Was it a high brow offering or was it like meet the Kippers but with a different slant?

No, it was a form of apology from Philips that he was wrong with how he and new labour brought in the multicultural agenda. Even that twat Blair admitted that sometimes the metropolitan elite go too far in their pursuit of "right on" policies and that the White poor are he new black

Under represented, frustrated, unable to speak out etc

 

[101toMR]

Did you see the programme?

No mate.
Was it a high brow offering or was it like meet the Kippers but with a different slant?

No, it was a form of apology from Philips that he was wrong with how he and new labour brought in the multicultural agenda. Even that twat Blair admitted that sometimes the metropolitan elite go too far in their pursuit of "right on" policies and that the White poor are he new black

Under represented, frustrated, unable to speak out etc

"The white poor are the new black".
That's the way I see it too hence the way I go on like a drain in support for the minimum wage renters who get fucked over by this government and are victims right now of this experiment gone wrong.

 

[stony]

No mate.
Was it a high brow offering or was it like meet the Kippers but with a different slant?

No, it was a form of apology from Philips that he was wrong with how he and new labour brought in the multicultural agenda. Even that twat Blair admitted that sometimes the metropolitan elite go too far in their pursuit of "right on" policies and that the White poor are he new black

Under represented, frustrated, unable to speak out etc

"The white poor are the new black".
That's the way I see it too hence the way I go on like a drain in support for the minimum wage renters who get fucked over by this government and are victims right now of this experiment gone wrong.

What was your previous username mate?

 

[101toMR]

What was your previous username mate?

I have already explained that I haven't had another username although that seems to have fallen on deaf ears.