Ronnie the Rep said:
Maybe you didn't see the programme but you two sound just like the folk Philips was criticising. You have made a whole aura around the word racist as if it is automatically a bad thing to want to associate with others of the same race or religion etc as yourself and that Blairs multi cultural society where we all join hands and live side by side is the only way forward. What the programme said was that is nonsense. Most people WANT to live with similar folk and not have lots of different people in their area. So you get the situation where all cultures mix during the day at work or college or whatever but then go home to their own areas. That doesn't necessarly mean they are ghettos. He also said that at all levels of society from education, to social services and so on that we have become terrified of confronting anyone who isn't white British because they are afraid of being called racist and the same British white kids are left behind with their education because the immigrants have been given priority.
The sense of frustration in the indigenous population is what as led to the rise of UKIP
Then by most metrics of humanity, Phillips was misguided. There's so many things wrong with your post too that it's difficult to know where exactly to start.
You have made a whole aura around the word racist as if it is automatically a bad thing to want to associate with others of the same race or religion etc as yourself
It is automatically a bad thing to want to
solely associate with people of the same race or religion of you. You can literally all of the way back to the start of humanity to see that humans have always grouped together and not by any specific division, but just in the configuration that benefits them the most. This is exactly where civilisation came from - groups of tribes who settled in a single place because of trade, protection and the opportunity to become an artisan rather than a farmer. Tribes who couldn't learn to live with others generally died out; they had no genetic variation within their culture, they didn't learn new skills from others that could have helped food production, they had no protection against things like disease or famine, basically a bunch of really shitty things happen to those who stuck in their own groups. All of these still apply today but instead of to tribes, they apply to social groups. The lack of influx of new ideas from within the community and instead from "outsiders" is the EXACT problem that had caused the rise of Salafist Islam in the Middle East and Africa. They had no internal revolution or ideas regarding the necessity of human rights and this isolationist thinking is exactly what happens when you remove it. Obviously there are pluses in the genetic variation column but not quite as dramatic due to the next point.
There's no such thing as "your race". Race doesn't exist. I said at the start that the type of people who like to proclaim things about "their race" generally aren't the type who understand the lack of significant differences genetically that disqualifies homo sapien sapiens from having different races. I'm a white British man but my heritage is from France about a thousand years ago. My Mrs is third generation Irish. My Mum is second generation Italian. What exactly is "my race"? what about my kids? There is just as much difference in culture and genetics between a modern day Italian and Irish as there are between a white and a black person. Are they races? Why or why not?
What about the famous speech about how "Sicilians come from niggers" in the famous movie posted the other day? Are Sicilians white? What about Scandinavians? What about Southern Spain? Gibraltar?
When you examine the argument of "my race" entails, you can quickly see how illogical the entire premise is and it completely breaks down under any challenge or you have to do mental gymnastics to attempt to keep it alive.
and that Blairs multi cultural society where we all join hands and live side by side is the only way forward
There is no such thing as "Blair's multicultural society". Multiculturalism probably started somewhere around the turn of the first millenium when the Angles from current day Denmark/Northern Germany came over and decided to setup a regional territory in East Anglia then eventually Jorvik or York as it's now called. Far be it from the popular image of mass rape and pillaging, most evidence suggests that they settled down and integrated pretty sharpish. Then of course there were the Romans who integrated into the "nobles", and after Charlemagne there were the Normans who later became the French who later fled Britain to become the French state of Brittany, not forgetting the Celtic tribes in both Ireland and Scotland who integrated with the later Norse raids as well as each other. Oh and we had a bunch of refugees come over in large number from Vasconia and then again from Galicia which is the bit above Portugal in Spain that always looks like it probably belongs to them. In fact though records from this time period are obviously sparse, it's thought that a decent percentage of the able population of Galicia emigrate to Britain as the Umayyad Caliphate was starting to move its way up North.
This all happened in around a 200 year stretch, in a time period where travel to Britain was gruelling and fraught with danger and took weeks or months. Obviously you can pretty much pick any 200 year stretch in the entire history of mankind and find hundreds of stories just like this, this is just the time period in which I'm best read. That was multi-culturalism and immigration with no problems at all.
Are they part of our race by the way?
Another good example stemming from the Umayyad Caliphate about multiculturalism is one that still lives on today. In many places in Southern Spain there are entire cities with beautiful mosques that are hundreds and sometimes up to a thousand years old. From there an entire branch of language developed known as Andalusian Arabic and it's a mixture of both Arabic and traditionally Iberian influences in terms of architecture and culture. Are they part of our race? How far in North do we have to go in Spain before they qualify as "like us"? The Umayyad Caliphate extended to Southern France. Is Aquitaine a bit dodgy or considering the Aquitaine bloodline sat on the English throne for hundreds of years do we think that's ok? Let me know.
Either way, I'm pretty sure that a multicultural Britain as a practical or philosophical concept has absolutely nothing to do with Tony Blair. These types of things don't happen over 10 years. We have multiculturalism and integration that has occurred in this country before your ancestors most like even got here. You're a living example that they work.
Most people WANT to live with similar folk and not have lots of different people in their area
What is a "different person"? Like is a guy with a different eye colour unwelcomed by the British masses? What about a different hair colour? Or is it just the pigment of the skin that we've decided is the crucial difference? What about people who are mixed race, are they allowed in? What about two parents of different white origin such as a Slav and a Scot? Is that ok?
What level of racial or cultural purity is required to live in the same neighbourhood of Ronnie the Rep?
He also said that at all levels of society from education, to social services and so on that we have become terrified of confronting anyone who isn't white British because they are afraid of being called racist and the same British white kids are left behind with their education because the immigrants have been given priority.
I'm not sure I have read a more ludicrous sentence than that on Bluemoon and we've seen some crackers on here. Well, not this week anyway.
Understand this;
white people in Britain occupy almost every single office of power in the country in both the public and private sectors and have done for two thousand years. They have all of the wealth, all of the power and all of the influence.. The "oh my God we are so oppressed" argument is such a blatant and frankly absurd notion that is passes into the realm of satire. Let them eat cake indeed.
Also, is it ok if British black kids are left behind or does it only apply to whites? What about white immigrants from France or our cultural home of Northern Germany, are they allowed to push out a British Arab kid? How DOES that whole system work in your head?
