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This transfer window/Marwood
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PmsllllCityCTID said:thanks BrianCTID101 said:I honestly cannot believe that people are actually saying "this trahsfer window has been fucking awful" etc.
Grow the fuck up.
You have no idea what Mancini want's, has asked for, has had rejected or which clubs and players have rejected us.
We could have tried to sign De Rossi, Martinez, RvP, Hazard and every other fucker but they turned us down. We aren't going to go to them with some ludicrous contract and who knows we might have done and they still turned us down.
We will never know what has happened or what is happening so just chill out and talk about something else.
Balti said:moomba said:MSP said:that was crap thing to do, I agree
If we don't renew contracts and pay the going rate, then we'll find ourselves in the same boat as Arsenal with players being able to call the shots.
Doesn't always work out the way we'd like it.
that assumes that you want to renew the contract
sometimes the brave decision is not to bow to player power
True, but I can imagine the whining on here if AJ was allowed to run his contract down and sold on the cheap/bosman.
And throes no chance we wouldn't have extended his contract if Mancini didn't (at the time) want him to stay.
nmc
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Young said:Mancini wants to get rid of certain players (Ade, Santa Cruz), club failed, Mancini angry.
Mancini wants to get certain players, they were bloody expensive, club reluctant to spend, Mancini angry.
Mancini angry, Marwood then points out cheaper alternatives to appease Mancini.
-- Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:19 pm --
Chelsea didn't spend as huge as us in previous seasons. And if anything, I believe winning Champions League has alot to do with it.bluethai said:why chelsea and other big spending clubs arn't crazy about ffp like city?
PSG is the one I'm suspect about.
Chelsea didn't spend as huge in recent windows?
Torres, Luiz, Ramirez, Matta, Cahill, - over £250m in 2 years.
Cobwebcat
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Winter defends Marwood
MANCHESTER CITY sporting director Brian Marwood will join the well heeled and well keeled in Monaco on Thursday to attend the Champions League draw and listen to UEFA president Michel Platini talk about the importance of financial prudence.
In the background will be the clinking sounds of yachts, champagne flutes and roulette wheels, making Monaco a slightly unlikely setting for a discussion on tightening belts and balancing books.
Marwood, though, does not need any advice from Platini's Financial Fair Play document or any prompting on the need for fiscal restraint.
Contrary to popular perception, the buzzword 'sustainability' has long been heard within the corridors of power at City.
The club's owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan, initially invested lavishly, including more than £500m on transfers, in making City competitive, in reaching the Champions League and winning the Premier League.
The Sheikh will sanction further signings this week, starting with Swansea City's Scott Sinclair and possibly Benfica's Javi Garcia, with Roma's Daniele de Rossi a long shot, but the mantra of "sustainability" -- of building a club with solid economic foundations -- will remain a priority. Good.
Frustration
Even allowing for some late outlays, City's spending has slowed -- much to the frustration of Roberto Mancini, with the manager clamouring for high-class recruits as the clock ticks down to Friday's transfer deadline.
The fascinating dynamic between the measured Marwood and City's driven, occasionally emotional manager provides the human incarnation of the current great debate over transfer budgets.
There's no falling-out, just a tension inevitably heightened in the final week of the transfer window.
With Mancini too smart to criticise Mansour or chairman Khaldoon al Mubarak, Marwood is the easiest target on which to vent any annoyance over club policy.
For those of us who admire Marwood and Mancini, the feeling remains that two good football men can work in tandem to shape a robust future for City.
As players, Mancini the striker would certainly have enjoyed the service from a winger like Marwood.
The 52-year-old Englishman is not some faceless accountant sitting behind a desk stymieing the manager's plans.
Marwood acquired an extensive knowledge of the game while racing down the flank at Hull City, Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal, Sheffield United, Swindon Town, Barnet and England (for 10 minutes against Saudi Arabia). He has been chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association and a media pundit, and cut his teeth in the business of sport working for Nike. He deserves Mancini's respect.
And gratitude.
Marwood focuses on the long-term success of City as well as the short term. If Mancini completes his new five-year deal, he will probably be fielding some of the players Marwood has drafted into the academy, like two highly regarded attackers -- the Spaniard Jose Angel Pozo and the Portuguese-Brazilian Marcos Lopes.
Mancini and Marwood share much in common. Both are hugely ambitious for City to find a permanent place among the European elite. Both are strong family men with sons trying to make their way in the game (James Marwood on loan from Gateshead at Halifax Town; Andrea Mancini at Valladolid B, while Filippo Mancini remains on City's books).
Marwood has an office close to Mancini's at Carrington, where they own one of the most amazing coffee machines ever conceived by an Italian designer.
Maybe the pair need to have the occasional quiet espresso and enhance a working relationship that is so important to Manchester City's prosperity.
Mancini should reflect that he is fortunate to possess a good squad anyway, that he has retained the stars that won the title, losing only Adam Johnson -- a bit-part player in any case.
And the Italian should also remember that certain other managers have players imposed on them by their club's owners.
Marwood does not interfere with his manager's transfer choices. Any private reservations that Marwood might have harboured about Roque Santa Cruz were put to one side as he brought in a striker coveted by Mark Hughes, Mancini's predecessor.
The manager's desire for a player is paramount, yet now set alongside the club's view of the value being realistic.
This is where "sustainability" enters the equation, demanding the sums add up.
City eventually ended their pursuit of Eden Hazard because of the cost for the Belgian playmaker, which eventually hit £32m. They also baulked at paying a £6m fee to Hazard's agent, John Bico.
Mancini is understood to have ultimately agreed with the club's refusal to countenance such expenditure.
Yet, Hazard's duck-to-water landing in English football with rivals Chelsea must still be a frustration for Mancini to behold.
Similarly, City's interest in Robin van Persie cooled because they would have had to make the Footballer of the Year the second-highest earner in the squad after Yaya Toure.
Again, "sustainability". Again, there must be irritation for Mancini in watching Van Persie hitting the ground running, shooting and scoring for Manchester United.
Mancini is a fine coach, a Premier League winner deservedly rewarded with that long contract, but he is not infallible.
The manager's decision to play three at the back against Liverpool, particularly giving the hapless Kolo Toure a starting place ahead of Joleon Lescott, was ill-judged (although rectified late on).
The Italian's loyalty to his compatriot Mario Balotelli -- a controversial striker who needs to contribute more consistently -- remains debatable.
Intriguing
His recent purchases have been intriguing. Sinclair's switch from Swansea for £6m has aroused some surprise as Mancini does not particularly deploy wingers -- one reason behind Johnson's determination to seek regular action at Sunderland.
Jack Rodwell arrived for £12m from Everton -- another recruitment that raises issues.
The midfielder is very capable technically, but he has a tendency to play the ball conservatively.
While it is encouraging from an English perspective to see Sinclair and Rodwell getting a chance of involvement in the Champions League (with a nod of sympathy to Johnson), it would surely have worked better for Marwood and Mancini to pool that cash for a more sustained assault on the barricades that Roma have erected around De Rossi.
If they are to progress from the Champions League group stages, De Rossi is more likely to guide their path than Sinclair or Rodwell.
Marwood and Mancini need to improve their communication. It's good to talk. They are on the same side. (© Daily Telegraph, London)
- Henry Winter
I have to admit my first thought was should Marwood be at the draw rather than signing players! :-)
Seriously though if we want to shift a couple and bring three in this is leaving it very very late.
MANCHESTER CITY sporting director Brian Marwood will join the well heeled and well keeled in Monaco on Thursday to attend the Champions League draw and listen to UEFA president Michel Platini talk about the importance of financial prudence.
In the background will be the clinking sounds of yachts, champagne flutes and roulette wheels, making Monaco a slightly unlikely setting for a discussion on tightening belts and balancing books.
Marwood, though, does not need any advice from Platini's Financial Fair Play document or any prompting on the need for fiscal restraint.
Contrary to popular perception, the buzzword 'sustainability' has long been heard within the corridors of power at City.
The club's owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan, initially invested lavishly, including more than £500m on transfers, in making City competitive, in reaching the Champions League and winning the Premier League.
The Sheikh will sanction further signings this week, starting with Swansea City's Scott Sinclair and possibly Benfica's Javi Garcia, with Roma's Daniele de Rossi a long shot, but the mantra of "sustainability" -- of building a club with solid economic foundations -- will remain a priority. Good.
Frustration
Even allowing for some late outlays, City's spending has slowed -- much to the frustration of Roberto Mancini, with the manager clamouring for high-class recruits as the clock ticks down to Friday's transfer deadline.
The fascinating dynamic between the measured Marwood and City's driven, occasionally emotional manager provides the human incarnation of the current great debate over transfer budgets.
There's no falling-out, just a tension inevitably heightened in the final week of the transfer window.
With Mancini too smart to criticise Mansour or chairman Khaldoon al Mubarak, Marwood is the easiest target on which to vent any annoyance over club policy.
For those of us who admire Marwood and Mancini, the feeling remains that two good football men can work in tandem to shape a robust future for City.
As players, Mancini the striker would certainly have enjoyed the service from a winger like Marwood.
The 52-year-old Englishman is not some faceless accountant sitting behind a desk stymieing the manager's plans.
Marwood acquired an extensive knowledge of the game while racing down the flank at Hull City, Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal, Sheffield United, Swindon Town, Barnet and England (for 10 minutes against Saudi Arabia). He has been chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association and a media pundit, and cut his teeth in the business of sport working for Nike. He deserves Mancini's respect.
And gratitude.
Marwood focuses on the long-term success of City as well as the short term. If Mancini completes his new five-year deal, he will probably be fielding some of the players Marwood has drafted into the academy, like two highly regarded attackers -- the Spaniard Jose Angel Pozo and the Portuguese-Brazilian Marcos Lopes.
Mancini and Marwood share much in common. Both are hugely ambitious for City to find a permanent place among the European elite. Both are strong family men with sons trying to make their way in the game (James Marwood on loan from Gateshead at Halifax Town; Andrea Mancini at Valladolid B, while Filippo Mancini remains on City's books).
Marwood has an office close to Mancini's at Carrington, where they own one of the most amazing coffee machines ever conceived by an Italian designer.
Maybe the pair need to have the occasional quiet espresso and enhance a working relationship that is so important to Manchester City's prosperity.
Mancini should reflect that he is fortunate to possess a good squad anyway, that he has retained the stars that won the title, losing only Adam Johnson -- a bit-part player in any case.
And the Italian should also remember that certain other managers have players imposed on them by their club's owners.
Marwood does not interfere with his manager's transfer choices. Any private reservations that Marwood might have harboured about Roque Santa Cruz were put to one side as he brought in a striker coveted by Mark Hughes, Mancini's predecessor.
The manager's desire for a player is paramount, yet now set alongside the club's view of the value being realistic.
This is where "sustainability" enters the equation, demanding the sums add up.
City eventually ended their pursuit of Eden Hazard because of the cost for the Belgian playmaker, which eventually hit £32m. They also baulked at paying a £6m fee to Hazard's agent, John Bico.
Mancini is understood to have ultimately agreed with the club's refusal to countenance such expenditure.
Yet, Hazard's duck-to-water landing in English football with rivals Chelsea must still be a frustration for Mancini to behold.
Similarly, City's interest in Robin van Persie cooled because they would have had to make the Footballer of the Year the second-highest earner in the squad after Yaya Toure.
Again, "sustainability". Again, there must be irritation for Mancini in watching Van Persie hitting the ground running, shooting and scoring for Manchester United.
Mancini is a fine coach, a Premier League winner deservedly rewarded with that long contract, but he is not infallible.
The manager's decision to play three at the back against Liverpool, particularly giving the hapless Kolo Toure a starting place ahead of Joleon Lescott, was ill-judged (although rectified late on).
The Italian's loyalty to his compatriot Mario Balotelli -- a controversial striker who needs to contribute more consistently -- remains debatable.
Intriguing
His recent purchases have been intriguing. Sinclair's switch from Swansea for £6m has aroused some surprise as Mancini does not particularly deploy wingers -- one reason behind Johnson's determination to seek regular action at Sunderland.
Jack Rodwell arrived for £12m from Everton -- another recruitment that raises issues.
The midfielder is very capable technically, but he has a tendency to play the ball conservatively.
While it is encouraging from an English perspective to see Sinclair and Rodwell getting a chance of involvement in the Champions League (with a nod of sympathy to Johnson), it would surely have worked better for Marwood and Mancini to pool that cash for a more sustained assault on the barricades that Roma have erected around De Rossi.
If they are to progress from the Champions League group stages, De Rossi is more likely to guide their path than Sinclair or Rodwell.
Marwood and Mancini need to improve their communication. It's good to talk. They are on the same side. (© Daily Telegraph, London)
- Henry Winter
I have to admit my first thought was should Marwood be at the draw rather than signing players! :-)
Seriously though if we want to shift a couple and bring three in this is leaving it very very late.
Re: Winter defends Marwood
Going to be a lot of football people at the draw. Kill two birds etc
Cobwebcat said:I have to admit my first thought was should Marwood be at the draw rather than signing players! :-)
Going to be a lot of football people at the draw. Kill two birds etc
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
The last point did not cross my mind. The CL draw will mean that the time for transfers is potentially reduced -
I appreciate that other people can deal but it's not just our club its all the other top clubs high level reps.
Just heard that Levi gone to Shaktar to try and get Willian - Thats what you need to do if clubs are not playing ball you send in the organ grinder not the monkey
The last point did not cross my mind. The CL draw will mean that the time for transfers is potentially reduced -
I appreciate that other people can deal but it's not just our club its all the other top clubs high level reps.
Just heard that Levi gone to Shaktar to try and get Willian - Thats what you need to do if clubs are not playing ball you send in the organ grinder not the monkey
lost_n_spaced
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
Should this not be renamed 'Winter paid to defend Marwood by Marwood / City hierarchy' ?
Should this not be renamed 'Winter paid to defend Marwood by Marwood / City hierarchy' ?