This transfer window/Marwood

[moomba]

When you are negotiating, you have a price you are willing to pay. If they other side wants more than that amount, you either decide to pay more or walk away. They did away with magic wands after the last Harry Potter book.

That's a simplification if we're being honest. A good or great negotiator gets around that. You don't just throw a number out there and say "Take it or leave it!"

You guys are right to some extent but should it take that long for a good negotiator to assess whether the deal or the price is worth it not? lets say if the price did not suited us,we should have presented our final offer and moved on a week ago to the next target may be.Now were in the final week and Swansea know were out of winger so they could dictate terms now in this deal.Arsenal may not be in a position to do so but they will surely try to squeeze as much as they can if Walcott comes to city .

Swanseas willingness to sell might change as we get closer to the end of the window.

They'll see Friday as the last chance to get a decent fee for a player who can leave for nothing at the end of the season and who might not be overly pleased to still be at Swanseas come September.

We could walk away job but we might find that he falls into our price range over the next few days.

 

[CityCTID]

All in all, the manager needs a counter - someone to challenge his buys, and if necessary pull the plug.

Is this a joke?

Had the average performances of the tv pundit [Marwood] had his way in the transfer signing, we would have end with Ashley Young, Jordan Henderson and Junior Hoilett!! Right, the manager needs someone to challenge his buys ... BOLLOX

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To be fair we should give credit where credit is due, Marwood sold Caicedo to Levante for a massive £1million, who sold him a week later for £7.5million. That's probably our biggest success story offloading deadwood in the past decade!!!!

 

[AustinBlue]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

 

[blue wang]

isnt there wining dining, charming, sending the Ho's in, get the chairman coke up . After 2 - 3 days of debuchery at no personnal expense, if he has had a good time we get what we want?

aye , this might be a slapstick appraisal of the process , how ever maybe marwood is just a tad "boring"

 

[mike channon´s windmill]

isnt there wining dining, charming, sending the Ho's in, get the chairman coke up . After 2 - 3 days of debuchery at no personnal expense, if he has had a good time we get what we want?

aye , this might be a slapstick appraisal of the process , how ever maybe marwood is just a tad "boring"

Think it´s been made clear we´re not after Rooney

 

[brummie blue]

Don't think much will happen tomorrow as everyone will be at the Champions League draw, roll on Friday!

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

isnt there wining dining, charming, sending the Ho's in, get the chairman coke up . After 2 - 3 days of debuchery at no personnal expense, if he has had a good time we get what we want?

aye , this might be a slapstick appraisal of the process , how ever maybe marwood is just a tad "boring"

Think it´s been made clear we´re not after Rooney

 

[twinkletoes]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

 

[Left Peg]

Don't think much will happen tomorrow as everyone will be at the Champions League draw, roll on Friday!

I don't think anything's gonna happen, full stop (except Nastasic possibly)

 

[FanchesterCity]

All in all, the manager needs a counter - someone to challenge his buys, and if necessary pull the plug.

Is this a joke?

Had the average performances of the tv pundit [Marwood] had his way in the transfer signing, we would have end with Ashley Young, Jordan Henderson and Junior Hoilett!! Right, the manager needs someone to challenge his buys ... BOLLOX

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To be fair we should give credit where credit is due, Marwood sold Caicedo to Levante for a massive £1million, who sold him a week later for £7.5million. That's probably our biggest success story offloading deadwood in the past decade!!!!

So, let's just clarify this -

I say Mancini cannot have 100% free reign on who he buys and at any cost, and that there has to be a 'counter' to his purchases - because the club needs to keep control of finances.

You say that's bollox - one can only assume you DO think Mancini should have a free reign?

ANYBODY running a sensible business is not going to give an employee (Mancini) free reign over any signing at any price. It's Marwood's job to secure the signings Mancini wants AT a price the club can afford. If the owner wasn't telling Marwood what the limits are, Marwood would be able to buy 90% of the players wouldn't he?... he'd just outbid everybody else and pay them a fortune in wages.
It's clear that some deals are falling through because Marwood is the man tasked with knowing the limits and sticking to them... on behalf of the board, and owner (who are paying his wages and calling the shots).

You would have to be deluded to think anything else. Even I could sign Sinclair if I just agreed to Swansea's valuation, or I could buy Cavani if I met the 55 million buy out. So why's Marwood not doing that?... because he's working within specific constraints!

 

[FanchesterCity]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.

OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

 

[waspish]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.

OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

Your spot on anyone who sees it differently are rags taking this piss or immature I want I want children

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.
OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

Personally, I don't think they would sack him during the transfer window, especially not late on in the window. I think we will all know what the owner thinks of the job Marwood has done in this window in the next couple of months. If he is still here for the next transfer window then we can safely assume they are at the very least satisfied with how he has handled this window. If he is no longer here for the January window then there is a fair chance that they have not been impressed.

 

[twinkletoes]

It is not a video game. There is politics, money, corruption, and a heaping slab of Arab pride in play. I think that pride more than even financial fair play, the biggest driver is our ownership not wanting to look like fools, and look like intelligent and sophisticated people. Which in the world of modern football is very hard - unless you are Arsenal and don't care about winning any more. That is driving the "sell before buy" as much as the need for cash. It isn't as of they are running out of money. Marwood plays only a very minor role. We used to have a CEO who could stand between the ownership and Mancini and Marwood. No-one on here knows how the discussions go at the board meetings where Marwood presents the scouting reports and performance evaluations on players. All we see is where Mancini drops hints in press conferences. Marwood is an easy scape goat, but no-one could do that job in the absence of a strong CEO.

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.

OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

These things arent played out in full view of everyone.

Perhaps Marwood does have constraints to work within but he wants to impress Khaldoon even more by actually coming in a lot less than the figures quoted.

Here's a scenario for you. RVP feels as though Marwood is dicking about over wages and thinks to himself, I dont need this shit so I am going to sign for United.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Agree with that too... although it's complicated by the arrival of a new CEO who might shuffle the pack anyway.

But still, to my mind, if Marwood wasn't operating under any financial constraints, it would be suicide to fail to land at least one major target. I don't believe he's THAT incompetent, so can only assume constraints do exist.

 

[Mancio]

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.
OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

Personally, I don't think they would sack him during the transfer window, especially not late on in the window. I think we will all know what the owner thinks of the job Marwood has done in this window in the next couple of months. If he is still here for the next transfer window then we can safely assume they are at the very least satisfied with how he has handled this window. If he is no longer here for the January window then there is a fair chance that they have not been impressed.

goodsense , finally

 

[twinkletoes]

Agree with that too... although it's complicated by the arrival of a new CEO who might shuffle the pack anyway.

But still, to my mind, if Marwood wasn't operating under any financial constraints, it would be suicide to fail to land at least one major target. I don't believe he's THAT incompetent, so can only assume constraints do exist.

We disagree on one thing then, Marwood is incompetent.

 

[CityCTID]

Could it also be that Marwood is brown nosing Khaldoon as he knows Mancini's position is much stronger this season. Marwood wants to show Khaldoon how good he is at negotiating tranfers whilst staying within the remit set for him.

Whilst Marwood might save the club perhaps, £5mn (unknown figure) in fees, this short sightedness might actually come back to bite us all on the arse.

Marwood could also be trying to show Mancini that he still has some power at the club.

Meanwhile we keep missing out on players.

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.
OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

Personally, I don't think they would sack him during the transfer window, especially not late on in the window. I think we will all know what the owner thinks of the job Marwood has done in this window in the next couple of months. If he is still here for the next transfer window then we can safely assume they are at the very least satisfied with how he has handled this window. If he is no longer here for the January window then there is a fair chance that they have not been impressed.

Sacked in three/four weeks........ mark my word!

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Marwood is so good that the clubs like Swansea are holding us for ransom now?i agree with Swansea boss to some extent,we were being linked with Sinclair throughout the summer and every rumor we heard said it,s a done deal and still we find out its not done yet in the last week of the window,its not like we wont buy players now in the remaining days we hopefully will but we,ll just get ripped of for every deal we,ll do most probably.

When you are negotiating, you have a price you are willing to pay. If they other side wants more than that amount, you either decide to pay more or walk away. They did away with magic wands after the last Harry Potter book.

You clearly misunderstand. Marwood should be able to force clubs to sell at a time and price to fit in with our buying policy, and force other cubs to buy at a time and price to fit in with our selling policy.

After all these clubs are working hard to get the best deal for Man City aren't they?

That is an incredibly generous view of how things have gone recently imo. Of course all teams are looking out for themselves and want to buy when they want to buy and want sell when they want to sell. But it should work both ways and surely the same for us? Nobody thinks negotiating/timing transfers is easy but that doesn't mean that negotiating in such a way that we end up selling a player before we get a replacement (this late in the window) is good or acceptable negotiating/timing, does it? You know going on your theory Sunderland couldn't force us to sell at a time that only suited them either, but Marwood (unless of course it was someone else at the club?) chose to and, whether you like to accept it or not, it has left us needlessly exposed to some extent. For me that was a mistake. As I said to you yesterday, I'm pretty sure it will all get sorted when the owner throws money at it this week to correct what has happened but that does NOT mean it was the right thing to do to sell Johnson on Friday before we had sorted ourselves out. I don't expect City to be able to call other clubs' tune but I certainly don't expect us to let them call our tune!

 

[Blue2112]

Seriously does anybody believe that since our owners having bought out Manchester City Football Club haven't always acted with the best interests of the club. By and large and almost without exception they have handled every situation with an utmost degree of respectability and professionalism at all times. Some of the people they put in charge of certain positions didn't cover themselves in glory but ultimately have paid the price. I do not know how anybody can believe for one minute that Mansour, Khaldoon, other board members Mancini and a his management team, Marwood and everybody connected with the club are not constantly trying to improve on last season. The thought that Khaldoon is just sat by allowing some personal battle between Marwood and Mancini to develop to the point of disrupting the football club as a whole is completely unthinkable.

This club has been finally dragged along and picked up to a position both on and off the field that I have never seen as good in 40years of supporting City. I don't have one single shred of doubt that there is a serious conflict of sorts allowing personal members to decide what they may or may not think is right for the club. I have complete faith that everyone at Manchester City are aware of our targets and the reasons behind what in public appears to be misfiring.