squirtyflower said:What Walcott did was much worse than Adebyor because it wasn't the heat of the moment type thing
Scoring a goal is quite an adrenalin rush and can then incite you to become less than sensible
Being carried off on a stretcher would have give Walcott the time to weigh up his actions and he certainly made a poor choice, his was the worst abrogation of thought
Gillespie said:stony said:Gillespie said:I don't doubt your obvious prejudice against Arsenal fans. Your generalisation stating in effect they are collectively and egregiously morally inferior to City fans as you perceive it, is just plain wrong. The thing about football fans is they see the best in themselves and the worst in others. It's tribalism and a peculiarity of that is the demonisation of one's opponents.
So the answer is no then ? You wouldn't like me to explain why I think Arsenal fans are all hypocrites.
You could always show me examples of City fans demonstrating the same behaviour, otherwise I'll take it you just want to stick your fingers in your ears and hum.
It's not a question of yes or no. It's stating the bleeding obvious which is that making wholesale generalisations about Arsenal fans or any other group of fans for that matter is wrong. You might be able to refer to a specific incidence of hypocrisy as you call it of an individual or individuals but to attribute it to a whole class of fans is nonsense. You argue from a self proclaimed position of moral superiority not warranted and based upon a logical fallacy I.e. the actions of a few can be ascribed to the many.
If you cannot understand that, that's your problem, not mine.
Gillespie said:stony said:Gillespie said:I don't doubt your obvious prejudice against Arsenal fans. Your generalisation stating in effect they are collectively and egregiously morally inferior to City fans as you perceive it, is just plain wrong. The thing about football fans is they see the best in themselves and the worst in others. It's tribalism and a peculiarity of that is the demonisation of one's opponents.
So the answer is no then ? You wouldn't like me to explain why I think Arsenal fans are all hypocrites.
You could always show me examples of City fans demonstrating the same behaviour, otherwise I'll take it you just want to stick your fingers in your ears and hum.
It's not a question of yes or no. It's stating the bleeding obvious which is that making wholesale generalisations about Arsenal fans or any other group of fans for that matter is wrong. You might be able to refer to a specific incidence of hypocrisy as you call it of an individual or individuals but to attribute it to a whole class of fans is nonsense. You argue from a self proclaimed position of moral superiority not warranted and based upon a logical fallacy I.e. the actions of a few can be ascribed to the many.
If you cannot understand that, that's your problem, not mine.
So Walcott therefore will get punished just like Adebayor did.Blue Hefner said:squirtyflower said:What Walcott did was much worse than Adebyor because it wasn't the heat of the moment type thing
Scoring a goal is quite an adrenalin rush and can then incite you to become less than sensible
Being carried off on a stretcher would have give Walcott the time to weigh up his actions and he certainly made a poor choice, his was the worst abrogation of thought
If Spurs fans(who booed him when injured) can't take a bit back then there is something wrong with them. What he did isn't worse than what Adebayor did, they were both players giving it back to fans who had been giving them stick.
Not a lot in either really
afc16 said:Gillespie said:stony said:So the answer is no then ? You wouldn't like me to explain why I think Arsenal fans are all hypocrites.
You could always show me examples of City fans demonstrating the same behaviour, otherwise I'll take it you just want to stick your fingers in your ears and hum.
It's not a question of yes or no. It's stating the bleeding obvious which is that making wholesale generalisations about Arsenal fans or any other group of fans for that matter is wrong. You might be able to refer to a specific incidence of hypocrisy as you call it of an individual or individuals but to attribute it to a whole class of fans is nonsense. You argue from a self proclaimed position of moral superiority not warranted and based upon a logical fallacy I.e. the actions of a few can be ascribed to the many.
If you cannot understand that, that's your problem, not mine.
i wouldnt bother mate, this stony guy is going to respond with 1 of 2 things containing either
- that arsenal fans are hypocrites
- or about buying class banner
he's banged on about 1 of them 2 things in almost every post.
DTKOAG said:So Spurs are not your main rivals then ?afc16 said:stony said:Arsenal fans loving the fact that Walcott gave the Spurs fans some back, yet they cried like bitches when Ade gave it them at ours.
If there's a more hypocritical bunch of mard arses outside of the swamp, I've yet to see them.
really don't get why you and other fans can't see some very obvious differences between what ade did and what theo did?
for a start, theo isn't a ex spurs player rubbing it in their face like ade did.
secondly, ade running the length of the pitch to celebrate and taunt arsenal fans is slightly different to walcott just signalling the score whilst on a stretcher, and whilst happening to be at the away end anyway.
2 totally different actions.
A policewoman knocked out cold.
I would say worst scenes at your ground tonight.
DTKOAG said:So Walcott therefore will get punished just like Adebayor did.Blue Hefner said:squirtyflower said:What Walcott did was much worse than Adebyor because it wasn't the heat of the moment type thing
Scoring a goal is quite an adrenalin rush and can then incite you to become less than sensible
Being carried off on a stretcher would have give Walcott the time to weigh up his actions and he certainly made a poor choice, his was the worst abrogation of thought
If Spurs fans(who booed him when injured) can't take a bit back then there is something wrong with them. What he did isn't worse than what Adebayor did, they were both players giving it back to fans who had been giving them stick.
Not a lot in either really
Walcott did this in a local big derby which has resulted in a female police officer getting knocked unconscious and crowd disorder.
afc16 said:DTKOAG said:So Spurs are not your main rivals then ?afc16 said:really don't get why you and other fans can't see some very obvious differences between what ade did and what theo did?
for a start, theo isn't a ex spurs player rubbing it in their face like ade did.
secondly, ade running the length of the pitch to celebrate and taunt arsenal fans is slightly different to walcott just signalling the score whilst on a stretcher, and whilst happening to be at the away end anyway.
2 totally different actions.
A policewoman knocked out cold.
I would say worst scenes at your ground tonight.
i wasn't talking about teams. i said that ade is a ex arsenal player so scoring against us and then taunting us like that is going to incite idiots more.
for example i'm going to be more wound up by rvp scoring against us then rubbing it in our face then i would if rooney did exactly the same thing.
theo is not a ex spurs player so such a minor gesture shouldn't have wound up the spurs fans anywhere near as much.
also theo was not even 10% as animated and wild as ade was, pointing out the score is no different to the old fingers to the mouth shhh celebration, its basically a very mild form of taunting. if you saw theo today he couldn't have looked more laid back and relaxed if he tried, it was obvious that it was meant as just a bit of banter, nothing more.
either way the bottom line is its ridiculous, football fans are pathetic if they can't take that, and i include arsenal fans as well.
im expecting stony to reply to this saying arsenal are being hypocrites so thought i'd mention that as well.
squirtyflower said:What Walcott did was much worse than Adebyor because it wasn't the heat of the moment type thing
Scoring a goal is quite an adrenalin rush and can then incite you to become less than sensible
Being carried off on a stretcher would have give Walcott the time to weigh up his actions and he certainly made a poor choice, his was the worst abrogation of thought
stony said:Gillespie said:stony said:So the answer is no then ? You wouldn't like me to explain why I think Arsenal fans are all hypocrites.
You could always show me examples of City fans demonstrating the same behaviour, otherwise I'll take it you just want to stick your fingers in your ears and hum.
It's not a question of yes or no. It's stating the bleeding obvious which is that making wholesale generalisations about Arsenal fans or any other group of fans for that matter is wrong. You might be able to refer to a specific incidence of hypocrisy as you call it of an individual or individuals but to attribute it to a whole class of fans is nonsense. You argue from a self proclaimed position of moral superiority not warranted and based upon a logical fallacy I.e. the actions of a few can be ascribed to the many.
If you cannot understand that, that's your problem, not mine.
You seem to be getting a bit tetchy. Another typical gooner trait when things aren't going their way(that was a joke btw before you get your knickers well and truly in a twist)
I've never claimed City fans have any kind of moral superiority, all clubs have fans which do them no credit. I was however giving my honest opinion on a particular trait I've found in Arsenal fans. Every club has hypocritical fans, but Arsenal have a disproportionate number imo.
If you don't like the opinion of a city fan on a city forum, then I would suggest it's very much your problem and not mine.