Those who think there's no agenda need to read this...

Intimidated referees don't have the bottle to give decisions against Utd, especially at the swamp. Baconface has been intimidating refs for donkeys years, Mourinho did it too and so has Wenger over the years. Its not a conspiracy, its not an agenda its simply a case of the refs not having the bottle when the time comes, they know that if they give a decision that isn't proved to be 100% correct they will be hammered by Baconface and his media lovvies and therefore it could jeopardise their career. Not giving these decisions is all about self preservation and a natural defence mechanism.

johnmc said:
So Webb screamed "no penalty"????

Not having it.

^^Agreed^^ someone prove he did this!
 
The difference being when United aren't good enough they quite often get a helping hand by the officials, when City aren't good enough we get it compounded by the officials.

***awaiting the naive to point out the Newcastle penalty and Chelsea title win of 4 years ago as concrete proof, lol.***
 
4th Officials involved in penalty decisions, original conspiracy theory if nothing else. Perhaps I'm deluded but I thought we are 2nd cos of our lousy away form.
 
Alex the Blue said:
4th Officials involved in penalty decisions, original conspiracy theory if nothing else. Perhaps I'm deluded but I thought we are 2nd cos of our lousy away form.


exactly this, and also because we don't really have a decent plan B when its not working very well
 
Earlier in the season the conspiracists would tell you that sky controlled it all and they wouldn't let us run away with it because that is not good for their product. So why when the rags are threatening to run away with it is that conspiracy no longer discussed?
 
interesting.... but a bit much for a lovely sunday morning....i hope to see QPR win 2-0 and city to win ugly down south.

i am more worried that the media always interview and print quote s from players of opposing sides to the rags. all this is done plenty of time before the game so they have something which makes them mad-and used for motivation. every week they have someone saying how they hope to beat utd.

i am getting concerned about the officials though.....and this balance it self out craic (bad calls by ref`s) would want to start to even itself out.

that pen against newcastle was around xmas......a long time ago. our last dodgy decision was more recent!
 
The thing is, referees do not tie our lads boot laces together or pull their shorts down as they're about to shoot.
Apart from at Everton Swansea and Stoke we have had the chances to have won every single other game (some by quite a margin), yet WE have missed the chances (some absolute sitters). If we had taken our chances we would currently have 84 points. Regardless of ANYTHING you can point at, we would have 84 points had we taken the chances that we actually created.

Referees barely influence games. Yes one decision can change a game frbutchers it just stood, but one decision is made in a second and there are 5399 other seconds in a game to do your own thing. In the three games I listed above, our own things we did were not of a high enough standard and we deserved nothing. However in games at Liverpool Chelsea WestBrom Sunderland(away) and Sunderland(home) we had the chances to win the games comfortably - yet, we didn't win them as we didn't take our chances.

Tgere are other reasons we're not top:
I think that, as a squad, we are behind United. When key individuals are missing for us, we are not the same side; at United you don't notice who is missing when players are out because it is a seemless transition.

I think that fat scar necked ****, Tevez, is way way WAY ahead of all the referee decisions that have gone against us, put together, as a reason why we're not top.

I also think their experience in the team and manager of winning the Premier League is a reason why we're not top.


I do think they get decisions that other clubs don't get. But I also see Wigan in Rugby League and Leicester in rugby yawnion, I look at some things that have gone on in motor sports to favour the big boys, I look at the way football clubs are allowed to run on the losess they do and get away with fucking unbelievable stuff yet smaller sports get hammered by banks and the Inland Revenue, etc...

When you're a top dog you get away with more, it's a fact of life. We are far from being a top dog. We've finished in the top three once under Sheikh Mansour, we're still the track suit family who won the lottery, we're nobodies in the eyes of the establishment. To them we're no bigger than Swansea City are to us. As bad as that sounds, it's true. Swansea have been out of the top league for decades and have hardly ever been up their throughout their history. City has finished in the top three just five times since the war; we've challenged for the title just five times in our entire history before this season. To the likes of United Liverpool and Arsenal, that is proper small time, and it is to the eyes of the media and the governing body it will be the same.

However we are growing, we are not going away. We will establish ourselves as a top club and we will eventually be seen in a different light. The track suit family's kids who has grown up with money will be viewed as rich kids and not the track suit family who won the lottery. Eventually we will get decisions to our way that other clubs moan about. This isn't an agenda, it's just the way things are. Subconsciously officials will referee games with the top dogs differently to the way they would ref other teams. And it will happen for us in years to come.
 
This thread highlights everything that is problematic with the agenda merchants. Take any old unverified crap, rumour, rant etc and present it as evidence without question.

The plural of 'anecdote' is 'anecdotes', not' evidence'.

We're not in second place because of Webb and Foy - we're in second place because we didn't win enough football matches (so far !)
 

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