Three dead in Belgium

jay_mcfc said:
Just reading about this. Doesn't sound much like a muslim terrorist attack, more a criminal who was about to be caught so had one last hurrah. Would love to see some kind of evidence of him shouting Allahu Akbar' because that seems to be the go to response every time something like this happens, even when it's not true.
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Agreed. The only evidence that is indisputable was that this man had been a criminal most of his life and locked up several times for assault and drug offences.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am not an Islamist apologist - if you can support that outrageous allegation please do.

Manchester - as part of the UK - became a target of radicalised Islamists who want to attack the west which they see as a colonialist and a non-islamic country ( various people will have various reasons along both lines). To suggest that the involvement of the UK and other coalition forces in the Middle East since say Desert Storm in 1991 all the way through to today is not being used against the UK populace by those who seek to radicalise mostly young muslim men who then visit terror attacks on us is to hide your head in the sand. To deny that involvement in the Arab world has no contributory factor to the attacks all across Europe is naive in the extreme. Our involvement there is also part of the reason for people fleeing en mass from those countries to what they see as a safe haven in the EU.
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You are a classic example of the consistent case as reported throughout the book the strange death of Europe. Apologising for our continent being invaded by terrorists and cultures alien to ours. My recent visits to Paris scared the shit out of me.
 
worsleyweb said:
You are a classic example of the consistent case as reported throughout the book the strange death of Europe. Apologising for our continent being invaded by terrorists and cultures alien to ours. My recent visits to Paris scared the shit out of me.
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show me the apology I made or shut up.
 
It is indeed a strange mindset that leads someone who has, apparently, had the shit bombed out of him in his home
country, to want to settle in the very country that has just bombed said shit out of him.
I don't recall thousands of Brits scrambling get into Germany after the Luftwaffe has just flattened their towns and cities, very weird.
 
Funny, strange, weird, that none of the Christians, Jews, Hindis, Buddhists, living in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, etc, etc, decided that they needed to relocate to the bad old west and shoot innocent men, women, boys and girls. Funny too that none of the Christian Somalians feel the need to genitally mutilate their young girls. Guess which religion does want that to happen though? No need to answer. We all know. Liege is just another to add to the never ending list of these acts. Carried out simply because they want to live in a Caliphate. They hate our culture, hate our Judo-Christian foundations. They love hate. And death. Death of the innocents. Cue apologist, hand-wringing drivel from the usual suspects...
 
Thing is if that religion wants to attack the west we give them ammunition to use to radicalise young men to their cause - the news shows the effects of bombing and so on and that helps the radicalisation process.

In the 70's and 80,s the IRA cleverly manipulated news reports and stories coming out of Ulster to harness the cash cow that was Irish America - places like Boston raised millions because the Irish Americans there saw the IRA as freedom fighters and wouldn't listen when we told them they were terrorists. Those millions bought guns off Ghadaffi and and bomb making equipment to kill and maim civillians just like is happening now. To put into perspective of how bloody that conflict was its estimated Republicans alone killed around 3,600 people over the 30 year campaign. If you look at other terror attacks and include Lockerbie and the murder of Jo Cox MP there have been 361 deaths at the hands of extremists.

This isn't hand wringing or apologist its understanding how the propaganda war is being fought and how we continually lose it from Boston the Baghdad
 
Ancient Citizen said:
It is indeed a strange mindset that leads someone who has, apparently, had the shit bombed out of him in his home
country, to want to settle in the very country that has just bombed said shit out of him.
I don't recall thousands of Brits scrambling get into Germany after the Luftwaffe has just flattened their towns and cities, very weird.
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That could be because we were bombing the shit out of Europe too? They see Europe as an intact safe environment - there will have been a point in WW2 when it was probably hard to tell Coventry or parts of London from Parts of Berlin or Tokyo so even if such a move was possible there was nothing to be gained.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
It is indeed a strange mindset that leads someone who has, apparently, had the shit bombed out of him in his home
country, to want to settle in the very country that has just bombed said shit out of him.
I don't recall thousands of Brits scrambling get into Germany after the Luftwaffe has just flattened their towns and cities, very weird.
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Thousands of German Jews fled to the UK during WW2.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thing is if that religion wants to attack the west we give them ammunition to use to radicalise young men to their cause - the news shows the effects of bombing and so on and that helps the radicalisation process.

In the 70's and 80,s the IRA cleverly manipulated news reports and stories coming out of Ulster to harness the cash cow that was Irish America - places like Boston raised millions because the Irish Americans there saw the IRA as freedom fighters and wouldn't listen when we told them they were terrorists. Those millions bought guns off Ghadaffi and and bomb making equipment to kill and maim civillians just like is happening now. To put into perspective of how bloody that conflict was its estimated Republicans alone killed around 3,600 people over the 30 year campaign. If you look at other terror attacks and include Lockerbie and the murder of Jo Cox MP there have been 361 deaths at the hands of extremists.

This isn't hand wringing or apologist its understanding how the propaganda war is being fought and how we continually lose it from Boston the Baghdad
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Republicans were responsible for just under 1800 killings, Loyalists, just under 1000, British Army 300 of the TOTAL number, which is generally accepted at 3466.

Genuine question: how many girls do you recall suffering from FGM at your school(s). Mine: zero. Latest figures were over 118,000 in the UK. Who/What's to blame? Blair? Bush? Thatcher? The girls? All part and parcel of the virulent strain that has fuck all to do with Western policies. And all those girls groomed by Pakistani men well, they were asking for it weren't they? Pesky Western girls.
 
Just because the same poster consistently tells us why we need to take the blame and the perpetrators have a reason to feel aggrieved doesn’t make him/her a terrorist sympathiser. The posts may appear to be sympathetic, reading between the lines may suggest strong sympathy but no that isn’t the case.

Just to confirm I am sure he/she is not a terrorist sympathiser.
 
johnnytapia said:
Republicans were responsible for just under 1800 killings, Loyalists, just under 1000, British Army 300 of the TOTAL number, which is generally accepted at 3466.

Genuine question: how many girls do you recall suffering from FGM at your school(s). Mine: zero. Latest figures were over 118,000 in the UK. Who/What's to blame? Blair? Bush? Thatcher? The girls? All part and parcel of the virulent strain that has fuck all to do with Western policies. And all those girls groomed by Pakistani men well, they were asking for it weren't they? Pesky Western girls.
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Think the figure you are quoting relates to the Republican IRA only ( 1707 dead was the figure I saw ) the approx figure I quoted base based on all republican terror groups like the Real IRA - Continutiy IRA - INLA - IPLO and so on - anyway lets not get caught up on numbers the point is a failure too address the propaganda war in previous conflicts cost us far more on home soil than the current war on terror has and if we don't get a handle on it things could get way way worse - none of the Irish Republican terrorists - nor Loyalist ones for that matter - were prepared to die for their cause - this lot are.

I can't understand why you think your anti Islam rants are going to change anything? Of course FGM - forced marriages - grooming gangs etc are abhorrent - not part of the UK culture and contrary to UK law . We need to work with the people who are stuck in their ways to educate them as to what we are prepared to accept as reasonable behaviour if they are to be granted right to stay in the UK. Attacking them from all sides is - as I say - losing the propaganda war and making the job of radicalisers easy. They can preach that here in the UK we want to stop their traditions and in their home countries we are bombing muslims - its a powerful message to people who may feel marginalised and are in fear - don't you see that? Your questions on FGM and grooming are valid and will have been read by quite a few on here already but have changed nothing thus far. It needs actions not words.

By the way you still haven't had the courage to tell me what part of planet earth it is you call home.
 
hilts said:
Just because the same poster consistently tells us why we need to take the blame and the perpetrators have a reason to feel aggrieved doesn’t make him/her a terrorist sympathiser. The posts may appear to be sympathetic, reading between the lines may suggest strong sympathy but no that isn’t the case.

Just to confirm I am sure he/she is not a terrorist sympathiser.
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I am not a sympathiser hilts - please see my post above - we need to win the propaganda war
 
bluethrunthru said:
Think the figure you are quoting relates to the Republican IRA only ( 1707 dead was the figure I saw ) the approx figure I quoted base based on all republican terror groups like the Real IRA - Continutiy IRA - INLA - IPLO and so on - anyway lets not get caught up on numbers the point is a failure too address the propaganda war in previous conflicts cost us far more on home soil than the current war on terror has and if we don't get a handle on it things could get way way worse - none of the Irish Republican terrorists - nor Loyalist ones for that matter - were prepared to die for their cause - this lot are.

I can't understand why you think your anti Islam rants are going to change anything? Of course FGM - forced marriages - grooming gangs etc are abhorrent - not part of the UK culture and contrary to UK law . We need to work with the people who are stuck in their ways to educate them as to what we are prepared to accept as reasonable behaviour if they are to be granted right to stay in the UK. Attacking them from all sides is - as I say - losing the propaganda war and making the job of radicalisers easy. They can preach that here in the UK we want to stop their traditions and in their home countries we are bombing muslims - its a powerful message to people who may feel marginalised and are in fear - don't you see that? Your questions on FGM and grooming are valid and will have been read by quite a few on here already but have changed nothing thus far. It needs actions not words.

By the way you still haven't had the courage to tell me what part of planet earth it is you call home.
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bluethrunthru said:
Think the figure you are quoting relates to the Republican IRA only ( 1707 dead was the figure I saw ) the approx figure I quoted base based on all republican terror groups like the Real IRA - Continutiy IRA - INLA - IPLO and so on - anyway lets not get caught up on numbers the point is a failure too address the propaganda war in previous conflicts cost us far more on home soil than the current war on terror has and if we don't get a handle on it things could get way way worse - none of the Irish Republican terrorists - nor Loyalist ones for that matter - were prepared to die for their cause - this lot are.

I can't understand why you think your anti Islam rants are going to change anything? Of course FGM - forced marriages - grooming gangs etc are abhorrent - not part of the UK culture and contrary to UK law . We need to work with the people who are stuck in their ways to educate them as to what we are prepared to accept as reasonable behaviour if they are to be granted right to stay in the UK. Attacking them from all sides is - as I say - losing the propaganda war and making the job of radicalisers easy. They can preach that here in the UK we want to stop their traditions and in their home countries we are bombing muslims - its a powerful message to people who may feel marginalised and are in fear - don't you see that? Your questions on FGM and grooming are valid and will have been read by quite a few on here already but have changed nothing thus far. It needs actions not words.

By the way you still haven't had the courage to tell me what part of planet earth it is you call home.
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Total number of Republican murders was 49% of the total number killed and includes all factions, IRA, Real IRA, INLA etc. Total number killed by all sides is generally accepted as 3466. You said the Republican movement was responsible for over 3000 deaths, I’m only pointing out what may have been a genuine error.

For the record, I am not anti-Islam. I am anti the virulant strain that bedevils this continent - and what we saw in Liege is an example of what that strain wants. There is no working with them - they don’t recognise us. They believe we should be killed at whatever cost, by whatever means. We opened up the European borders and they came flooding in - absolutely nothing to do with our so called invasions - they could have gone to their neighbours, to Canada, to Eastern Europe, but didn’t. Because they’d have got short shrift, thanks, but no thanks if it’s all the same with you. But we were led to believe unfettred immigration could only do good. Come one and all. Greece and Italy bore the original brunt as first ports of call, but they were merely staging posts as they found their way here, to you and me, to Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Stockholm, Liege, and all points in between. And where they settled they set about to wage their “Holy War” and tried to indoctrinate us in their ways, their murderous ways.

You think they’ll sit down at a table and discuss their “demands"? Think they want to engage with us? Think that by having a nice chat with your average jihadi he’ll come to see the error of his/her ways? We crossed a rubicon a long time ago. It could have been so much better, but the elite (political mainly) decided they knew best. We never got a say, never said we wanted this type of person in our country. Until Brexit - the 1st and only opportunity millions had a say. And look what we said.

Not sure why you keep repeatedly harping on about me not having the “courage” to say where I live. It’s of fuck all concern to you or anyone else on this forum.

I’ll leave it at that - you have your view, it’s not one I share, but, thankfully, we live in a climate where debate can be had and where, thankfully, more and more people are coming to realise the gravity of what lies before us.
 
johnnytapia said:
Not sure why you keep repeatedly harping on about me not having the “courage” to say where I live. It’s of fuck all concern to you or anyone else on this forum.
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It actually stems from your post to me @ 11.09 last night when you referred to me as "over there". I told you I am in North Yorks and asked where you were from to which you came back with "planet earth". Its called trying to engage and build a rapport to have an intelligent discussion but clearly not something you do. Never mind I will just think of you as an earthling.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It actually stems from your post to me @ 11.09 last night when you referred to me as "over there". I told you I am in North Yorks and asked where you were from to which you came back with "planet earth". Its called trying to engage and build a rapport to have an intelligent discussion but clearly not something you do. Never mind I will just think of you as an earthling.
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Well, given I live on Earth, it’s not too difficult to make the nexus to Earthling. I’ll take that, been called worse. Until the next tragedy I’ll bid you farewell.
 
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