Today's shooting in America thread

Screenshot_20230329_173844_Samsung Internet.jpg
The same worthless piece of shit that took that Christmas card photo. If there was any justice social services would take his kids off him; see how he likes it.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
But people "enjoy" owning military weapons, as you do your guns -- and you said so. I think you called one "beautiful." So why do you get to own the weapon you "enjoy" but they don't?

My ex-Marine buddy mows down agriculture-destroying wild pigs in Texas with an AR-15 from a helicopter, just as you mow down pest animals with your weapons. At least he's protecting the food supply that will serve me and my family via commercialism instead of protecting just his own vegetable patch.

And the problem with your last sentence is that in order for change to happen we MUST account for politicans, rednecks and paranoia. We can't ignore them.

Again -- all of what you suggest makes sense in theory. And I agree. And where politics doesn't object, it works in some states. It just doesn't in practice nationally.

Let's go from theory to practice.

In practice, responsible gunowners can get rid of existing guns and stop buying new ones. No new laws. Just a simple act of self-denial. If such action catches fire, demand for firearms drops like a stone. The gun lobby weakens in power dramatically. Then the objections to regulation weaken, just as what happened with tobacco. Then product usage drops. And so on.

If the ones who can act, who are the most rational and calm and loigical, DO act, this problem can begin to solve itself. If THEY won't, IT won't.

The parable of Jesus and the rich man goes through my head a lot.
Click to expand...
I get to enjoy the firearms that I am allowed to enjoy FogBlueInSanFran.

In terms of effective mass shootings, my two bolt action rifles are light years behind an automatic rifle designed to kill lots of people quickly. In this country they are prohibited.

I'm afraid we'll continue to disagree on this subject, because you propose a total ban on firearms, the manufacture and the ownership of them and I don't.
Yours is a well meaning proposal, but I believe it wouldn't be achievable or accepted.


My belief is that there is a bigger issue than simply the number of guns available, because up here we have a very large gun ownership, but without the problems we repeatedly hear emanating from the US.

My thoughts are on why that is, what's the difference between the two countries that border each other and their gun policies? Why does one country have relative control on firearms and the other appears to border on a slaughterhouse?
 
TFC said:
Some of the nicest fellas I have met over here are absolutely rabid when it comes to their 2A rights. It defies logic in honesty.

In short, nothing will ever be done.
Click to expand...

Genuine question - would they still hold that view if it was their kids that got killed in a school by a shooting ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Genuine question - would they still hold that view if it was their kids that got killed in a school by a shooting ?
Click to expand...

From what I read, most of the loons seem to think that the major problem is that there are gun free zones and the schools haven’t got heavily armed guards and teachers wandering the corridors with the register in one hand and a semi automatic weapon in the other.
 
Stephen230 said:
From what I read, most of the loons seem to think that the major problem is that there are gun free zones and the schools haven’t got heavily armed guards and teachers wandering the corridors with the register in one hand and a semi automatic weapon in the other.
Click to expand...
Schools around where I live have a policeman on duty - elementary (junior schools) tend to have one cop between two schools, but middle and high schools a full time cop at the school.
I used to work at a children's home and once a week I'd get a call from Officer (whatever his name was) saying he had (name of the kid) in his office as he'd been kicking off and would i come and collect him.... and I'd have to go to his office where the kid would get bollocked by the Dibble and warned about future conduct.

Fuck - even libraries have an officer sat at the entrance playing on his phone every time I go to one of the 2 near to me.
No idea what they are expecting to happen but there they are. Ridiculous
 
Last edited:
Any gun in the wrong hands is an issue Chicago, but do you honestly have so many more 'wrong 'un's' per capita than other countries? I wouldn't have thought so, every country has them.

We have a lot of gun ownership up here and although we have a much smaller population, we don't get the same percentage of issues.

I can have a cabinet full of guns if that was my desire, but not an AR-15 (and similar), and you could have your Glock, although now with the worthless new legislation, purchasing a new one is prohibited.

The difference that I see is not in banning guns, but in the regulation and control of them. ALL the other countries who have gun owners and regulation don't have your issues of constant mass shootings.
 
Slipper One said:
I get to enjoy the firearms that I am allowed to enjoy FogBlueInSanFran.

In terms of effective mass shootings, my two bolt action rifles are light years behind an automatic rifle designed to kill lots of people quickly. In this country they are prohibited.

I'm afraid we'll continue to disagree on this subject, because you propose a total ban on firearms, the manufacture and the ownership of them and I don't.
Yours is a well meaning proposal, but I believe it wouldn't be achievable or accepted.


My belief is that there is a bigger issue than simply the number of guns available, because up here we have a very large gun ownership, but without the problems we repeatedly hear emanating from the US.

My thoughts are on why that is, what's the difference between the two countries that border each other and their gun policies? Why does one country have relative control on firearms and the other appears to border on a slaughterhouse?
Click to expand...
Actually I proposed no ban whatsoever. In fact I proposed the opposite. I proposed that decent, law-abiding, responsible gun owners voluntarily turn in their guns and stop buying new ones. Just like how people quit smoking. Consider it a self-sacrificing act in solidarity and support of non-gun-owning innocents.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Actually I proposed no ban whatsoever. In fact I proposed the opposite. I proposed that decent, law-abiding, responsible gun owners voluntarily turn in their guns and stop buying new ones. Just like how people quit smoking. Consider it a self-sacrificing act in solidarity and support of non-gun-owning innocents.
Click to expand...
No
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I guess what it comes down to that this is really a useful history lesson. I imagine, for example, some of the arguments I read here are the same that reasonable, kind, rational slaveholders made.

No, I'm not equating gun ownership with slavery. No, I'm not suggesting gun owners are racist. I am drawing connections between parallel threads of logic. That's all. Yes, I'm aware the comparison isn't perfect. No, I'm not suggesting ipso facto.
Click to expand...
Slavery was illegal after 1865, and looking back, it seems utterly abhorrent that slavery was ever seen as acceptable.
I guess if private gun ownership was limited, restricted and then ultimately banned completely over say the next 50 years, future generations could drawing the same parallels with gun ownership in 150 years time

I personally doubt it, because there is a mindset amongst a significant number of people that weapons of war should be celebrated and treated as sacred under the Constitution. Until that is addressed, nothing will change and innocent will continue to be killed, becuase FREEDUMB!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top