Today's shooting in America thread

FogBlueInSanFran said:
Why would they do that? No one in America who owns a gun doesn’t need another one. Ask those who own. The sky’s the limit on the market, and many pesky restrictions will be lifted across the board. Whoopee!

Maybe we can expand our chocolate-flavored vape business over there though. You’ve got some kids unaddicted to nicotine as of yet, right?
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The question is 'How much profit is enough?'
Show me a business that doesn't want to increase sales, wherever that may be.
Regarding guns and other weapons, it will be just the same (re sales) I believe.
 
Grassland Blue said:
As the U.K. becomes ever more Americanised, my concern is that their gun manufacturers will seek a new market here.
For those who think it can't/won't happen, consider the creeping privatisation of OUR N.H.S.
Everything is for sale to the highest bidder (briber?) by this lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by.
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If it were any other industry I'd agree with you. But the reason why the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because of the underlying philosophy that the state shouldn't have the monopoly on force, that an armed citizenry protects the individual from an overbearing state, and that the gun is the last defence of liberty.

There's no way the lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by would ever want to give up the legal monopoly they have - as the state - on force or violence. Few governments would, quite apart from the public health concern, it's a quirk of the American constitution which means even though gun ownership causes such death, injury and misery, it's baked in to their idea of freedom.

The possible fallout from Russia-Ukraine could be the greater firearms risk. There's a long history of weapons from combat zones and Eastern Bloc countries washing up on UK shores with catastrophic results.
 
Jazzyblue said:
But the reason why the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because of the underlying philosophy that the state shouldn't have the monopoly on force, that an armed citizenry protects the individual from an overbearing state, and that the gun is the last defence of liberty.
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Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.
 
domalino said:
Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution and spending as much as it took to make their opposition get branded traitors.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.
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Wayne LaPierre used the NRA as a 'personal piggy bank,' N.Y. attorney general says (nbcnews.com)
 
domalino said:
Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.
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True. But they wouldn't have been able to do that if it weren't for the Second Amendment, which is a lot older than 1990.
 
Jazzyblue said:
True. But they wouldn't have been able to do that if it weren't for the Second Amendment, which is a lot older than 1990.
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The 2nd Ammendment was around in 1968 when the Gun Control Act banned the sale of all guns without a sporting use, and in 1994 when Clinton banned the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons.

The real issue is the Federalist society and their gang of bullshit, hypocritical wankers trying to impose the laws of the 1700's on everyone else. That started in the mid 1980's, before that the idea that we should try to base modern life off imagining what a bunch of rich white male slave owners from the 18th century would think of modern issues would get you laughed out of the building.
 
domalino said:
The 2nd Ammendment was around in 1968 when the Gun Control Act banned the sale of all guns without a sporting use, and in 1994 when Clinton banned the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons.

The real issue is the Federalist society and their gang of bullshit, hypocritical wankers trying to impose the laws of the 1700's on everyone else. That started in the mid 1980's, before that the idea that we should try to base modern life off imagining what a bunch of rich white male slave owners from the 18th century would think of modern issues would get you laughed out of the building.
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I'm not defending the mindset Domalino. But whether we like it or not, however it was achieved, the idea that the gun is a backstop to liberty, and that this is written into the constitution, is a stubborn argument in the US. The mere fact that this mindset has survived federal govt attempts at gun control only illustrates my point. I only referred to this ideology to make the point that I think it's unlikely that the US gun industry can carve out a market in the UK, because we don't have the same constitutional background, but we still have reason to worry because of our proximity to war zones.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You are a special kind of crazy, aren’t you?!

Sounds like you posted just after you got back from tripping home!
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Ha Ha. No, I'm back from the pub tonight, and, thank God, I survived the walk there and back without being shot! I wasn't too sure about it, but you never know how lucky you can be on a night out, so I took the risk!

I had a convivial chat with my friends, and managed the walk home without tripping up on a loose paving stone or whatever else I couldn't see in my slightly dazed state.

I haven't touched drugs for 30 years or so, I had 4 pints, and I'm going to bed soon without the reassurance 3 Glocks in my house will provide because I don't need them.

I'm the crazy one?

I'm not anti American in any way, far from it as we have a lot to thank the US for, but two things I will never understand is your gun laws and lack of universal health care.
 
NPBlue said:
Ha Ha. No, I'm back from the pub tonight, and, thank God, I survived the walk there and back without being shot! I wasn't too sure about it, but you never know how lucky you can be on a night out, so I took the risk!

I had a convivial chat with my friends, and managed the walk home without tripping up on a loose paving stone or whatever else I couldn't see in my slightly dazed state.

I haven't touched drugs for 30 years or so, I had 4 pints, and I'm going to bed soon without the reassurance 3 Glocks in my house will provide because I don't need them.

I'm the crazy one?

I'm not anti American in any way, far from it as we have a lot to thank the US for, but two things I will never understand is your gun laws and lack of universal health care.
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What a bizarre post
 
NPBlue said:
Ha Ha. No, I'm back from the pub tonight, and, thank God, I survived the walk there and back without being shot! I wasn't too sure about it, but you never know how lucky you can be on a night out, so I took the risk!

I had a convivial chat with my friends, and managed the walk home without tripping up on a loose paving stone or whatever else I couldn't see in my slightly dazed state.

I haven't touched drugs for 30 years or so, I had 4 pints, and I'm going to bed soon without the reassurance 3 Glocks in my house will provide because I don't need them.

I'm the crazy one?

I'm not anti American in any way, far from it as we have a lot to thank the US for, but two things I will never understand is your gun laws and lack of universal health care.
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I completely agree with the sentiments!

And, funnily enough, I don’t worry about getting shot walking to and from the local establishments in my neck if the woods, either, and not because I’m packing, nor do I NEED to.

I know people THINK it’s the Wild Wild West, but it’s a huge country with teeny tiny hotspots that flare up every now and then , literally like pin holes on a map.

As for UHC, t’s scandalous that one’s basic human right to life is left to the devices of capitalism and the healthcare oligopoly!

Glad you made it home safely!

Fwiw, while we are discussing the details of your vices, I have never touched drugs, and have never smoked, but I was drunk once…a night out in the summer of 1983, the White Mountains of New England, 10 Budweisers.

I know, I know…but growing up seeing alcoholism firsthand and feeling as bad as I did the next day (although that could have been the 3 bowls of chili I ate with the beers, and regurgitated, not the beers themselves?!) was enough for me. It’s not something I miss, nor do I admire it when I see it.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I completely agree with the sentiments!

And, funnily enough, I don’t worry about getting shot walking to and from the local establishments in my neck if the woods, either, and not because I’m packing, nor do I NEED to.

I know people THINK it’s the Wild Wild West, but it’s a huge country with teeny tiny hotspots that flare up every now and then , literally like pin holes on a map.

As for UHC, t’s scandalous that one’s basic human right to life is left to the devices of capitalism and the healthcare oligopoly!

Glad you made it home safely!

Fwiw, while we are discussing the details of your vices, I have never touched drugs, and have never smoked, but I was drunk once…a night out in the summer of 1983, the White Mountains of New England, 10 Budweisers.

I know, I know…but growing up seeing alcoholism firsthand and feeling as bad as I did the next day (although that could have been the 3 bowls of chili I ate with the beers, and regurgitated, not the beers themselves?!) was enough for me. It’s not something I miss, nor do I admire it when I see it.
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Some of the best shags of my life occured when I was stoned and drunk.

That was many years ago, when the Bee Gees were top of the charts,

I'm older and wiser now, but I can't deny my history on the booze and dope front.

I've never, ever, woken up without remembering what hasppened the night before, so I guess I wasn't that out of it.

Take care, and stay safe.
 
NPBlue said:
Some of the best shags of my life occured when I was stoned and drunk.

That was many years ago, when the Bee Gees were top of the charts,

I'm older and wiser now, but I can't deny my history on the booze and dope front.

I've never, ever, woken up without remembering what hasppened the night before, so I guess I wasn't that out of it.

Take care, and stay safe.
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Oh well you remembered everything so wasn't such a Tragedy
 
NPBlue said:
Some of the best shags of my life occured when I was stoned and drunk.

That was many years ago, when the Bee Gees were top of the charts,

I'm older and wiser now, but I can't deny my history on the booze and dope front.

I've never, ever, woken up without remembering what hasppened the night before, so I guess I wasn't that out of it.

Take care, and stay safe.
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Were you in Massachusetts?
 
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