Toni Kroos

Bellamy's Caddy said:
Yeah that's a good point, it certainly looks like we are putting the foundations in place for the future with the signing of Zinchenko and several others that we are being linked with.

I just have a feeling that we will be going all out. From The interview with Khaldoon it was clear that they were disappointed with how City approached the Champions League semi final, the second leg in particular. The Champions League will remain a big focus for us and now we have Guardiola I expect that target will be of more significance than before.

It will be interesting to see who comes in before the end of the season, as well as who leaves.
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But perhaps they consider Gabriel Jesus, Gundogan, Nolito & Stones with possibly Sané & a big name IF available, as 'going all out' in this window ?

If someone like Kroos comes, we have to get 4 players out to accomodate just the new 'senior' players coming in. People talking about just not registering players to play if we can't offload them, well I'm no fan of Kolarov for example, but he's a title winner who has been here some years & I would never treat him like that. It was very bad we did it with Zucculini imo.

As it stands, we can add Jesus, Sané, Zinchenko, Moreno to the Premier League squad if we want, & play them as U21s so we only have to shift out senior players to fit in Gundogan & Nolito so far, then one more has to go out if Stones comes.

If we want the kids to play in the Champs Lg, we just drop 4 of the older players from the squad, like we did Nasri last season. Still they are all registered for the Prem & the cups.

This time next year, some of those older players will be out of contract or in their last year, so much easier to shift out, if we can't do it now.

I think we have a really nice balance if Stones & the S American kids come, even moreso with Sané. These kids are actually 'big' signings I recon.
 
Neville Kneville said:
But perhaps they consider Gabriel Jesus, Gundogan, Nolito & Stones with possibly Sané & a big name IF available, as 'going all out' in this window ?

If someone like Kroos comes, we have to get 4 players out to accomodate just the new 'senior' players coming in. People talking about just not registering players to play if we can't offload them, well I'm no fan of Kolarov for example, but he's a title winner who has been here some years & I would never treat him like that. It was very bad we did it with Zucculini imo.

As it stands, we can add Jesus, Sané, Zinchenko, Moreno to the Premier League squad if we want, & play them as U21s so we only have to shift out senior players to fit in Gundogan & Nolito so far, then one more has to go out if Stones comes.

If we want the kids to play in the Champs Lg, we just drop 4 of the older players from the squad, like we did Nasri last season. Still they are all registered for the Prem & the cups.

This time next year, some of those older players will be out of contract or in their last year, so much easier to shift out, if we can't do it now.

I think we have a really nice balance if Stones & the S American kids come, even moreso with Sané. These kids are actually 'big' signings I recon.
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I get where you're coming from, but personally I don't think that would be enough to challenge for the champions league. We'd be right up there for the Premier League but I don't see those players giving us enough to have the edge over Real, Barca etc. In a few years maybe, but the likelihood is we will only have Pep for 3. Can we really afford to wait for those players to fulfil their potential?

Whoever Pep brings in it will be for a reason and I'm sure they will strengthen us. I think Nolito is going to be a great signing for us, especially at that price, Gundogan as well. I'm not saying it all has to be about bringing in big name players, but personally I would be surprised if we don't sign at least one of Kroos, Bonucci or someone of that ilk to give us that edge in the interim. Pep will be judged on how many trophies he wins and established players make that more likely especially in his first season. Those deals also take longer to get over the line. Guess we'll have to see what happens from now until the window shuts.
 
Again, we should trust Pep's judgement here. He's won the odd trophy, CL included, in his time and though he's building for the long term won't neglect this year either.

Anyway, panic buying with a win now, consequences later attitude is United's shtick. Let's be patient and see how things okay out, plenty of transfer window to go.
 
Can anyone offer a single justifiable reason why kroos would ditch RM to come here? It's ridiculous.
 
2sheikhs said:
Can anyone offer a single justifiable reason why kroos would ditch RM to come here? It's ridiculous.
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He's been a Curly Watts fan all his live. Growing up in Germany a young Toni Kroos would watch on in awe as Curly Watts and his trusted sidekick "Spider" would do nothing but drink the same pint for 10 hours. They don't do soaps like Corro in Germany.
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
I get where you're coming from, but personally I don't think that would be enough to challenge for the champions league. We'd be right up there for the Premier League but I don't see those players giving us enough to have the edge over Real, Barca etc. In a few years maybe, but the likelihood is we will only have Pep for 3. Can we really afford to wait for those players to fulfil their potential?

Whoever Pep brings in it will be for a reason and I'm sure they will strengthen us. I think Nolito is going to be a great signing for us, especially at that price, Gundogan as well. I'm not saying it all has to be about bringing in big name players, but personally I would be surprised if we don't sign at least one of Kroos, Bonucci or someone of that ilk to give us that edge in the interim. Pep will be judged on how many trophies he wins and established players make that more likely especially in his first season. Those deals also take longer to get over the line. Guess we'll have to see what happens from now until the window shuts.
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Personally I see it as unrealistic to expect us to suddenly overhaul Barca & Real Madrid. It could happen, but imo that would be a bonus rather than an expectation.

If Pep had a full pre season & there were a couple of huge players available to bring in I could imagine it, but even then, it's such a big change for the whole team, I'm expecting a transitional period & I get the impression that's actually the plan.

I also think Pep is here for more than 3 years unless it goes tits up. I didn't before he arrived, I was pretty convinced it would be 3, but ti all points to more & I think this plan is to stabilise the club for the future as well as the short term trophy hunt.

I agree about Nolito btw. If you compare the highlights of his performances on youtube for example, to the best of Sané, he is absolutely miles ahead. People are dismissing him as a squad player & Sané as the 'star'. Nolito is currently way ahead of him.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Personally I see it as unrealistic to expect us to suddenly overhaul Barca & Real Madrid. It could happen, but imo that would be a bonus rather than an expectation.

If Pep had a full pre season & there were a couple of huge players available to bring in I could imagine it, but even then, it's such a big change for the whole team, I'm expecting a transitional period & I get the impression that's actually the plan.

I also think Pep is here for more than 3 years unless it goes tits up. I didn't before he arrived, I was pretty convinced it would be 3, but ti all points to more & I think this plan is to stabilise the club for the future as well as the short term trophy hunt.

I agree about Nolito btw. If you compare the highlights of his performances on youtube for example, to the best of Sané, he is absolutely miles ahead. People are dismissing him as a squad player & Sané as the 'star'. Nolito is currently way ahead of him.
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I think Nolito will be superb. He scores and creates goals from wide, which is what we really lacked last season.
 
Neville Kneville said:
If someone like Kroos comes, we have to get 4 players out to accomodate just the new 'senior' players coming in. People talking about just not registering players to play if we can't offload them, well I'm no fan of Kolarov for example, but he's a title winner who has been here some years & I would never treat him like that. It was very bad we did it with Zucculini imo.
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I don't think it's a huge issue tbh. If we can't sell them, there are plenty of (probably Italian) clubs that would take the likes of Kolarov or Bony on loan for a season, possibly with an agreement to buy or first refusal deal at the end of it.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I don't think it's a huge issue tbh. If we can't sell them, there are plenty of (probably Italian) clubs that would take the likes of Kolarov or Bony on loan for a season, possibly with an agreement to buy or first refusal deal at the end of it.
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It's not as big an issue as people are making it out to be. We're trying to get them out nicely and profitably now, but if push comes to shove we will be able to flog them off to someone.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Personally I see it as unrealistic to expect us to suddenly overhaul Barca & Real Madrid. It could happen, but imo that would be a bonus rather than an expectation.

If Pep had a full pre season & there were a couple of huge players available to bring in I could imagine it, but even then, it's such a big change for the whole team, I'm expecting a transitional period & I get the impression that's actually the plan.

I also think Pep is here for more than 3 years unless it goes tits up. I didn't before he arrived, I was pretty convinced it would be 3, but ti all points to more & I think this plan is to stabilise the club for the future as well as the short term trophy hunt.

I agree about Nolito btw. If you compare the highlights of his performances on youtube for example, to the best of Sané, he is absolutely miles ahead. People are dismissing him as a squad player & Sané as the 'star'. Nolito is currently way ahead of him.
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I hope you are right about Pep being here long term. If that is the case then what you are suggesting would definitely make sense. From how disappointed Khaldoon was with our champs league semi final performance and with the club openly seeking progression in the Champions League over the last few years I didn't think that would change for Pep. Although perhaps they are thinking along the lines of a one year transition period, which hopefully will be successful and then kick on there.

On topic - I'd love to see Kroos sign for us. His distribution is fantastic, and would allow us to dominate possession but with incisive passing as well. Rumours of his agent wanting to secure a better deal at Madrid is a concern though.
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
I hope you are right about Pep being here long term. If that is the case then what you are suggesting would definitely make sense. From how disappointed Khaldoon was with our champs league semi final performance and with the club openly seeking progression in the Champions League over the last few years I didn't think that would change for Pep. Although perhaps they are thinking along the lines of a one year transition period, which hopefully will be successful and then kick on there.

On topic - I'd love to see Kroos sign for us. His distribution is fantastic, and would allow us to dominate possession but with incisive passing as well. Rumours of his agent wanting to secure a better deal at Madrid is a concern though.
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If I had to guess I'd say that's what's happening.
 
domalino said:
It's not as big an issue as people are making it out to be. We're trying to get them out nicely and profitably now, but if push comes to shove we will be able to flog them off to someone.
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If we have to get rid of players in a hurry:

1 the buying/loaning clubs have us by the balls
2 the player does not have to go & may refuse. In fact this could be exactly what has happened already.
 
Neville Kneville said:
If we have to get rid of players in a hurry:

1 the buying/loaning clubs have us by the balls
2 the player does not have to go & may refuse. In fact this could be exactly what has happened already.
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And in that case we'll take the comparatively small financial hit if we need to.

I'm not sure why people are acting like this is new? Jovetic and Dzeko wouldn't fuck off last year, but we still got them out of the door eventually. It's just a matter of time.
 
domalino said:
And in that case we'll take the comparatively small financial hit if we need to.

I'm not sure why people are acting like this is new? Jovetic and Dzeko wouldn't fuck off last year, but we still got them out of the door eventually. It's just a matter of time.
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Jovetic & Dzeko were two highly sought after players.

But it doesn't matter about us 'taking a hit' if the player won't go.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Jovetic & Dzeko were two highly sought after players.

But it doesn't matter about us 'taking a hit' if the player won't go.
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Good point. It's harder to get rid of older players I presume. As sitting on the bench doesn't really hurt them as much as it would a younger player. Younger players trying to guarantee their national team aspirations are much more sensitive to being benched than a guy who'snational team time has passed, or who has retired from international football.
 
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