Mr Manolo said:SWP's back said:Ok but what you are not privvy to is the years of abuse, piss taking and pity that we have put up with.
If that was not bad enough, we win the jackpot and have some money. Our club then acts in a way that it believes is for the best for the club. next thing we know, the media hate us, Moyes et al conclude we have no class. Every time we draw or lose, fans of those clubs come on here, sit on their pedestal and lecture us on where we are going wrong, when our manager will be sacked and that our players are mercenaries. Do they come on here after a good game (ie Fulham)? Do they hell as like.
You may come on here and be reasonable but as you are the 2,734th poster to come on here and have a little go (such as being arrogant etc), then some will bite back as that is human nature.
Football is tribal. Football supporters have no direct say in the way that their club is viewed by the media. Football fans are loyal and if 2,733 posters come on here and belittle us, even if the following guy is reasonable, the reaction will be venomous. as has been said, if you find that offensive, avoid looking. Rag cafe hate us, there are 1 or 2 posters that post without that hatred and are often commplimentary, but as football is football - I try and avoid looking as I know I will see the same thing over and over again. I will also never be able to effect their views as they are entrenched.
It is the same here, our wagons have formed a circle and the defence mechanism has set in (we have been forced to take that position over the past 18 months) and I dare say the spuds would do the same in the same position. Meet me in a pub and talk sense, I would do the same back to you but when we get spud after spud, toffee after gooner coming on here when their teams have a good result, it gets a little tiresome.
There you go, you made me fire up my laptop and write a long post back though I still feel I have not done the sublect justice or given you an insight into how it feels to be City right now.
Good post, but the arrogance eminating from a lot of your fans (in this thread and elsewhere) is uncalled for and unjustified.
you've won nothing in the premiership era, you've never even reached a final in that time, you've never even finished top four. Yet you strike lucky with a rich owner and all of a sudden you're this huge club (far bigger than the likes of Everton and Spurs).
Don't be so naive as to think you're the only club who have suffered in that time, everyone outside the 'top 4' has had similar experiences. Yet instead of showing humility in the face of the huge pile of fortune that fell into your lap you go into arrogance overdrive making the attitude of your fans virtually indisguinshable from that of Utd.
Utd fans are loathsome bastards, horrible glory hunting snides, you'd think after putting up with their shit for decades you'd learn from their mistakes, instead you jump right into bed with them before you've even won a single trophy.
rez9000 said:Fine, YOU wouldn't care. Does that mean that I have to emulate you and not care about MY club? And that still doesn't justify abuse.BlueMo' said:i still maintain that if you created a thread
right now on a spurs forum slagging us to high
heaven i wouldn't give a shit because i would be
blissfully unaware of it.
Spurs are great, top club. top team.
There, there do you feel better now.
You've missed the point. I don't want Man City fans to a man to say that we're a better team than yours, or even to say we're a good team. You can say that we're not very good, as long it's done with reasoning, with rationale, and, above all, respect.
A bit of piss-taking is fine. A bit of banter is fine. Abuse isn't. Saying that Spurs players are taking drugs isn't. I'm going to reiterate that this is not an accusation against you specifically. I'm speaking generally. And that is something that SOME Man City fans have done in this thread.
Do you understand where I'm coming from with this?
Mr Manolo said:SWP's back said:Ok but what you are not privvy to is the years of abuse, piss taking and pity that we have put up with.
If that was not bad enough, we win the jackpot and have some money. Our club then acts in a way that it believes is for the best for the club. next thing we know, the media hate us, Moyes et al conclude we have no class. Every time we draw or lose, fans of those clubs come on here, sit on their pedestal and lecture us on where we are going wrong, when our manager will be sacked and that our players are mercenaries. Do they come on here after a good game (ie Fulham)? Do they hell as like.
You may come on here and be reasonable but as you are the 2,734th poster to come on here and have a little go (such as being arrogant etc), then some will bite back as that is human nature.
Football is tribal. Football supporters have no direct say in the way that their club is viewed by the media. Football fans are loyal and if 2,733 posters come on here and belittle us, even if the following guy is reasonable, the reaction will be venomous. as has been said, if you find that offensive, avoid looking. Rag cafe hate us, there are 1 or 2 posters that post without that hatred and are often commplimentary, but as football is football - I try and avoid looking as I know I will see the same thing over and over again. I will also never be able to effect their views as they are entrenched.
It is the same here, our wagons have formed a circle and the defence mechanism has set in (we have been forced to take that position over the past 18 months) and I dare say the spuds would do the same in the same position. Meet me in a pub and talk sense, I would do the same back to you but when we get spud after spud, toffee after gooner coming on here when their teams have a good result, it gets a little tiresome.
There you go, you made me fire up my laptop and write a long post back though I still feel I have not done the sublect justice or given you an insight into how it feels to be City right now.
Good post, but the arrogance eminating from a lot of your fans (in this thread and elsewhere) is uncalled for and unjustified.
you've won nothing in the premiership era, you've never even reached a final in that time, you've never even finished top four. Yet you strike lucky with a rich owner and all of a sudden you're this huge club (far bigger than the likes of Everton and Spurs).
Don't be so naive as to think you're the only club who have suffered in that time, everyone outside the 'top 4' has had similar experiences. Yet instead of showing humility in the face of the huge pile of fortune that fell into your lap you go into arrogance overdrive making the attitude of your fans virtually indisguinshable from that of Utd.
Utd fans are loathsome bastards, horrible glory hunting snides, you'd think after putting up with their shit for decades you'd learn from their mistakes, instead you jump right into bed with them before you've even won a single trophy.
gooney said:dan.j.mcfc said:Spurs are a good side no doubt about it, but I think inconsistency will be a key factor, they're away form isn't the best and having lost 3 on the road already I can see that doubling over Dec/Jan. The way seem to be set up when I have watched them is, lets go out and score more than them, which is all well and good but like today for example Liverpool could and maybe should have been out of sight by half time.
I have no doubt they will be challenging for fourth again this season, but I don't believe it will be with us. Arsenal look the most likely as I believe their defence is equally as poor as Tottenham's and in those games where that goal just won't come they will find themselves dropping points more often than not. Spurs for me are currently at their peak attacking wise and still struggle to beat teams, while Arsenal play some brilliant football, if they know they're in for a tough game some of their players often go missing and when really up against it, look very poor at the back. Both teams IMO look very beatable and I think get a bit too much respect from opposition, look how easy it was for Bolton to get at Spurs, West Brom at the Emirates. Look at it this way, there is probably only 1 player from each team who would get in our starting line up - compare that with how many would get in there's from us, Chelsea and the rags.
Us on the other hand are still coming together as a team and are set up completely different. While we don't create as many chances I think once the team gels in an attacking sense (like at Fulham) on a consistent basis and with our superior defence over both Spurs and Arsenal we will pull away. Then should we look to add maybe a couple of players over the Jan transfer window, to add some more attacking options then we won't be to far from the top of the league. We are definitely just a couple of games away from really getting it together and being what the manager wants us to be. I have huge faith in the way Mancini is trying to mould us in to a strong powerful unit that is really difficult to beat, we literally are just around the corner from being as decisive in our attack as we generally are at the back.
Forza Mancini
I think you listen to stupid pundits too much, both Arsenal and Spurs have something City lacks which is why teams give them so much respect....pace. Arsenal are the best away team in the league by some distance, which tells you in an open game we are more likely to win than most teams. We have conceded 5 goals more than you, but has scored 12 goals more than you as well. So the gap between our attack is bigger than the gap between our defence. We also conceded less than you last season and you have the same centre halves as last season, the only reason why you have conceded less than us this season is you have 3 defensive midfielders playing most games, we simply commit alot more players than you
SWP's back said:Mr Manolo said:Good post, but the arrogance eminating from a lot of your fans (in this thread and elsewhere) is uncalled for and unjustified.
you've won nothing in the premiership era, you've never even reached a final in that time, you've never even finished top four. Yet you strike lucky with a rich owner and all of a sudden you're this huge club (far bigger than the likes of Everton and Spurs).
Don't be so naive as to think you're the only club who have suffered in that time, everyone outside the 'top 4' has had similar experiences. Yet instead of showing humility in the face of the huge pile of fortune that fell into your lap you go into arrogance overdrive making the attitude of your fans virtually indisguinshable from that of Utd.
Utd fans are loathsome bastards, horrible glory hunting snides, you'd think after putting up with their shit for decades you'd learn from their mistakes, instead you jump right into bed with them before you've even won a single trophy.
Ha - so you have to win something before you can think your club is the bollocks? Fuck that, we sang "best team in the land and all the world" at York away 11 years ago.
We have no interest on how you view us. The problem is your, not ours and we simply do not care. What feeling of joy did being "likkle city", "the plucky underdog", "the sleeping giant" ever give us? Fuck all fella and if you think we must cow tow to our "betters" then you think wrong. This is not victorian britain that we live in. If anything, it is the roaring 80's and if you think we are new money yuppies, I couldn't give a toss and neither could 90% of the match going blues I talk with.
A trophy will not change us, we are as we are and no amount of lecturing on our own bastard forum will change that. I have a feeling that you may secure more luck if you go stand in the Thames Estury and shout at the tide to turn. Atleast you will think you have won that battle in the next 6 hours or so.
Mr Manolo said:How are Spurs at their peak?
The best players in the squad Modric, Bale and VDV are all only going to get better as time goes on.
Bale is 21, 21!
Balti said:Mr Manolo said:Good post, but the arrogance eminating from a lot of your fans (in this thread and elsewhere) is uncalled for and unjustified.
you've won nothing in the premiership era, you've never even reached a final in that time, you've never even finished top four. Yet you strike lucky with a rich owner and all of a sudden you're this huge club (far bigger than the likes of Everton and Spurs).
Don't be so naive as to think you're the only club who have suffered in that time, everyone outside the 'top 4' has had similar experiences. Yet instead of showing humility in the face of the huge pile of fortune that fell into your lap you go into arrogance overdrive making the attitude of your fans virtually indisguinshable from that of Utd.
Utd fans are loathsome bastards, horrible glory hunting snides, you'd think after putting up with their shit for decades you'd learn from their mistakes, instead you jump right into bed with them before you've even won a single trophy.
you sir are a numpty of the highest order
you clearly have not been a spurs fan for very long
I'd give you a history lesson but can't be arsed at this time of night
I hope you continue to be the shit of North Larnden for many decades to come
Those chips on your shoulders look evenly balanced at least
xx
dell74 said:Mr Manolo said:How are Spurs at their peak?
The best players in the squad Modric, Bale and VDV are all only going to get better as time goes on.
Bale is 21, 21!
Yes and he will leave you ,leave you !
rez9000 said:But I'm not passing judgement on your club at this time. If I chose to criticise your club, I would do so with respect for your history and all things Man City.SWP's back said:Ok but what you are not privvy to is the years of abuse, piss taking and pity that we have put up with.
If that was not bad enough, we win the jackpot and have some money. Our club then acts in a way that it believes is for the best for the club. next thing we know, the media hate us, Moyes et al conclude we have no class. Every time we draw or lose, fans of those clubs come on here, sit on their pedestal and lecture us on where we are going wrong, when our manager will be sacked and that our players are mercenaries. Do they come on here after a good game (ie Fulham)? Do they hell as like.
OK, I accept that. But I'm trying to speak to a bigger issue - the idea that for some reason Spurs qualify for some pretty nasty posts. As I said, I don't mind you maintaining a rivalry, not wanting us to do well (although we don't feel the same way about you, which makes it difficult to have a rivalry), but all I'm asking is that it's done rationally (within the confines of football rationality, of course)You may come on here and be reasonable but as you are the 2,734th poster to come on here and have a little go (such as being arrogant etc), then some will bite back as that is human nature.
I sincerely haven't sought to belittle you (the fans as a whole) or your club - just to stop you (again, speaking collectively) doing that to my club.Football is tribal. Football supporters have no direct say in the way that their club is viewed by the media. Football fans are loyal and if 2,733 posters come on here and belittle us, even if the following guy is reasonable, the reaction will be venomous. as has been said, if you find that offensive, avoid looking. Rag cafe hate us, there are 1 or 2 posters that post without that hatred and are often commplimentary, but as football is football - I try and avoid looking as I know I will see the same thing over and over again. I will also never be able to effect their views as they are entrenched.
I can understand a level of defensiveness if your club has been subject to criticism from all and sundry, but I haven't done that. I've criticised certain sections of your support, on this forum, who have lambasted us beyond what can be considered reasonable.It is the same here, our wagons have formed a circle and the defence mechanism has set in (we have been forced to take that position over the past 18 months) and I dare say the spuds would do the same in the same position. Meet me in a pub and talk sense, I would do the same back to you but when we get spud after spud, toffee after gooner coming on here when their teams have a good result, it gets a little tiresome.
There have been a couple of people who have said that they don't believe we're very good. That's fine. In fact, that's great, because it keeps us honest. But I've also seen some outrageous comments and some frankly rather stupid comments that are nothing more than '<profanity> Spurs'
And I would also add that I didn't start this thread. This thread was started by a Man City fan - 'Tottenham are better than us'. The stuff that followed was a deluge of abuse directed at Spurs. It's uncalled for and I would criticise someone doing that about another club on a Spurs forum, I assure you.
I wish you luck. I can sympathise to an extent. Although not as long as Man City's, Spurs too have had their time in the wilderness and I know that the hope that better things are just over the horizon can stir the passion. But we can do that without going for the jugular over each other's clubs, surely? We can co-exist and compete with each other without being barbarians, can't we?There you go, you made me fire up my laptop and write a long post back though I still feel I have not done the sublect justice or given you an insight into how it feels to be City right now.
Not you.Lucky Toma said:Rez9000 what will it take for you to go away?
Just that you conduct yourself in a manner befitting a human being, which you patently haven't in this very thread.What do you want us to say that will stop you whining out another thousand words every twenty minutes?
Which demonstrates exactly what I'm arguing against. I'm not a cockney. I'm not even English. You've again engaged in the very thing I'm trying to get you to see.Because right now I'm prepared to do the Lambeth Walk and gawd bless the memory of the Queen mum.
Whatever it takes for you to fuck off back to your own forum.
You have defended your club. Jesus Christ you have defended your club.
Now do one.
If I was a Spurs fan - if I was unfortunate enough to have a dad who wore chunky bracelets and v-neck sweaters who slapped my mum about and who dragged me to Shite Hart Lane when I was a kid - I would be mortified by you tonight. I would think you have embarrassed my club.
Yeah, I'm not the one whose been throwing profanities around like confetti. I'm not the one insulting others. I'm not the one who has insulted another fan's club. Still want to talk about tantrums and whining. If you're that good )and I actually think you will be very soon) you don't need to continually have a pop at Spurs. Did you know that BlueMoon rants against Spurs makes up countless threads on Spurs forums? Did you know that some of the comments are viewed with pity for the narrow-mindedness and idiocy shown?Because you've been such a whiny moany tantrum-throwing woman about everything.
So you keep posting? So why shouldn't I? Why shouldn't I defend my club?Shut up now and go.
You think we've been nasty and mean to your football club. Jesus man, try coming on here another time (in fact...dont) and you'll see we're FAR nastier with each other.
And in the main we brush ourselves down, and post and post again.
Because we're adults and we can take it.
Oh please! I've been rational, logical and complimentary about your club. The pseudo-intellectual put-downs don't become you.You have acted like a prepubescent girl tonight who's heard people slating their favourite one from Westlife and its just been embarrassing!