sweynforkbeard said:Hell, there's varmints outside Diamond Lil's bothering the mules - pauses to turn sideways and spit copiously into a large spittoon - are we gonna raise a possee or are yer all yeller?
Near Atlanta.hilts said:taconinja said:Neighborhood watch? Nah, I was a cop for four years. No interest in watching some puffed up idiots who think they're in an action movie run around neighborhoods pretending to be actual law enforcement.hilts said:whereas your good self seem such a chilled out easy going chap, a bet your nickname was horizontal at school your so chilled
if you were neighbourhood watch i wouldn't advise people to leave their houses
And I'm not angry in the slightest. I'm just not going to mince words about these subjects.
a cop where?
ElanJo said:Skashion said:I am shocked with the amount of people agreeing with this murderer's charter.
How's that?
Near Atlanta.[/quotetaconinja said:hilts said:taconinja said:Neighborhood watch? Nah, I was a cop for four years. No interest in watching some puffed up idiots who think they're in an action movie run around neighborhoods pretending to be actual law enforcement.
And I'm not angry in the slightest. I'm just not going to mince words about these subjects.
a cop where?
Skashion said:I am shocked with the amount of people agreeing with this murderer's charter.
Legally this was absolutely the correct call as Florida law is written.hilts said:Near Atlanta.[/quotetaconinja said:hilts said:a cop where?
from what i have read and you will probably know more than me Sanford has major crime issues and this gated community was no exception, i'm sure i read that Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away" after previously calling the police who turned up but the individual of concern had long gone
my argument is that we don't know if Zimmerman followed this lad because he was black or he was just pissed of with crimes in his neighbourhood, if you americans like walking around with guns people are going to get shot, i think peoples anger would be better aimed at solving that problem
legally the verdict seemed sound, what goes through Zimmerman's head i don't know but one thing is for sure, if it was illegal to carry firearms in your country he would currently be behind bars
Skashion said:I am shocked with the amount of people agreeing with this murderer's charter.
taconinja said:Legally this was absolutely the correct call as Florida law is written.hilts said:Near Atlanta.[/quote
from what i have read and you will probably know more than me Sanford has major crime issues and this gated community was no exception, i'm sure i read that Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away" after previously calling the police who turned up but the individual of concern had long gone
my argument is that we don't know if Zimmerman followed this lad because he was black or he was just pissed of with crimes in his neighbourhood, if you americans like walking around with guns people are going to get shot, i think peoples anger would be better aimed at solving that problem
legally the verdict seemed sound, what goes through Zimmerman's head i don't know but one thing is for sure, if it was illegal to carry firearms in your country he would currently be behind bars
We need greatly improved gun laws. Honestly, we need to take loads of guns off the streets. Someday we may get to that. Sadly, I don't know how many massacres we're going to need for that to happen.
I have an opinion of Zimmerman and that won't change at this point. I've seen enough witness deposition and his history of violence record to satisfy myself. My feelings don't matter though. What can be proved matters. Floridian law makes it pretty much the whim of the jury as to whether someone can claim self-defense. In most places, the onus is on the shooter once they claim self-defense. In a few places such as Florida, the onus is on the prosecutor to prove somehow the person didn't feel threatened. That's frankly an impossibility unless we get ESP equipment in the near future.
I agree that with his history, Zimmerman would likely have used force in those cases, but he does have a history of 46 calls to 911 reporting Black males acting in his mind suspiciously in an eight year period. That's honestly quite a lot.johnmc said:Skashion said:I am shocked with the amount of people agreeing with this murderer's charter.
I'd agree he murdered this kid. And the situation was entirely he own making. But that he got himself into the situation purely because Trayvon was black only Zimmerman knows. If a white or Hispanic kid was in that situation looking like he was up to no good (in Zimmermans eyes) and confronted Zimmerman and a fight started out that Zimmerman was losing he probably would have shot them too.
Like I say only Zimmerman knows whether he profiled Trayvon. But maybe he was just the type that would use any force he could if he was getting beaten regardless of race.
taconinja said:I agree that with his history, Zimmerman would likely have used force in those cases, but he does have a history of 46 calls to 911 reporting Black males acting in his mind suspiciously in an eight year period. That's honestly quite a lot.johnmc said:Skashion said:I am shocked with the amount of people agreeing with this murderer's charter.
I'd agree he murdered this kid. And the situation was entirely he own making. But that he got himself into the situation purely because Trayvon was black only Zimmerman knows. If a white or Hispanic kid was in that situation looking like he was up to no good (in Zimmermans eyes) and confronted Zimmerman and a fight started out that Zimmerman was losing he probably would have shot them too.
Like I say only Zimmerman knows whether he profiled Trayvon. But maybe he was just the type that would use any force he could if he was getting beaten regardless of race.
Their solution is to put more guns in schools. As I said, I was a police officer for four years and prior to that I was a Marine for four years. I also come from an area with a large amount of hunters. It's amazing how many people I have known that have shot people either on purpose or accidentally.hilts said:taconinja said:Legally this was absolutely the correct call as Florida law is written.hilts said:Near Atlanta.[/quote
from what i have read and you will probably know more than me Sanford has major crime issues and this gated community was no exception, i'm sure i read that Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away" after previously calling the police who turned up but the individual of concern had long gone
my argument is that we don't know if Zimmerman followed this lad because he was black or he was just pissed of with crimes in his neighbourhood, if you americans like walking around with guns people are going to get shot, i think peoples anger would be better aimed at solving that problem
legally the verdict seemed sound, what goes through Zimmerman's head i don't know but one thing is for sure, if it was illegal to carry firearms in your country he would currently be behind bars
We need greatly improved gun laws. Honestly, we need to take loads of guns off the streets. Someday we may get to that. Sadly, I don't know how many massacres we're going to need for that to happen.
I have an opinion of Zimmerman and that won't change at this point. I've seen enough witness deposition and his history of violence record to satisfy myself. My feelings don't matter though. What can be proved matters. Floridian law makes it pretty much the whim of the jury as to whether someone can claim self-defense. In most places, the onus is on the shooter once they claim self-defense. In a few places such as Florida, the onus is on the prosecutor to prove somehow the person didn't feel threatened. That's frankly an impossibility unless we get ESP equipment in the near future.
We are pretty much in agreement unfortunately fella if nutters killing kids at school with automatic rifles doesn't wake up the pro gun brigade this sorry incident won't either, i'm not even sure with the amount of people owning guns in America that anything can be done
I don't recall any, but the pdf documentation has been taken down. The cynical part of me is dubious as to why that public record is now gone, but the non-cynical part hopes it's just been moved or they got tired of their website crashing. I'll dig around.johnmc said:taconinja said:I agree that with his history, Zimmerman would likely have used force in those cases, but he does have a history of 46 calls to 911 reporting Black males acting in his mind suspiciously in an eight year period. That's honestly quite a lot.johnmc said:I'd agree he murdered this kid. And the situation was entirely he own making. But that he got himself into the situation purely because Trayvon was black only Zimmerman knows. If a white or Hispanic kid was in that situation looking like he was up to no good (in Zimmermans eyes) and confronted Zimmerman and a fight started out that Zimmerman was losing he probably would have shot them too.
Like I say only Zimmerman knows whether he profiled Trayvon. But maybe he was just the type that would use any force he could if he was getting beaten regardless of race.
Fair enough. You know a lot more than me about this. Did he have any calls reporting any non black males?
taconinja said:Their solution is to put more guns in schools. As I said, I was a police officer for four years and prior to that I was a Marine for four years. I also come from an area with a large amount of hunters. It's amazing how many people I have known that have shot people either on purpose or accidentally.hilts said:taconinja said:Legally this was absolutely the correct call as Florida law is written.
We need greatly improved gun laws. Honestly, we need to take loads of guns off the streets. Someday we may get to that. Sadly, I don't know how many massacres we're going to need for that to happen.
I have an opinion of Zimmerman and that won't change at this point. I've seen enough witness deposition and his history of violence record to satisfy myself. My feelings don't matter though. What can be proved matters. Floridian law makes it pretty much the whim of the jury as to whether someone can claim self-defense. In most places, the onus is on the shooter once they claim self-defense. In a few places such as Florida, the onus is on the prosecutor to prove somehow the person didn't feel threatened. That's frankly an impossibility unless we get ESP equipment in the near future.
We are pretty much in agreement unfortunately fella if nutters killing kids at school with automatic rifles doesn't wake up the pro gun brigade this sorry incident won't either, i'm not even sure with the amount of people owning guns in America that anything can be done
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I don't recall any, but the pdf documentation has been taken down. The cynical part of me is dubious as to why that public record is now gone, but the non-cynical part hopes it's just been moved or they got tired of their website crashing. I'll dig around.johnmc said:taconinja said:I agree that with his history, Zimmerman would likely have used force in those cases, but he does have a history of 46 calls to 911 reporting Black males acting in his mind suspiciously in an eight year period. That's honestly quite a lot.
Fair enough. You know a lot more than me about this. Did he have any calls reporting any non black males?
Scottyboi said:Has no one took the time to think how cool Zimmerman is for a name, I kind of want it but he has tainted it for me.
Pistol, rifle, shotgun, or bow and arrow?mcmanus said:Bloody hell Taconinga how many people do you know who have shot others by accident?
taconinja said:Pistol, rifle, shotgun, or bow and arrow?mcmanus said:Bloody hell Taconinga how many people do you know who have shot others by accident?
Pistol - 2. First was self-inflicted while cleaning. Bullet traveled down the shin, exited at the ankle, shattering the bone. Second was self-inflicted in a quick-draw contest. Shot a hole in his own foot trying to unholster the pistol.
Rifle - 1. Worked an accident scene where a father cleaning his rifle didn't properly check to see if it was loaded. Killed his small son. I think the kid was two or three. Shot through chest.
That was the last time in my life I've vomited. Couldn't stop myself from doing it.
Shotgun - 0 accidental. My mother did shoot my step-father with rock salt, though. Not an accident. Thank goodness nothing serious with a shotgun.
Bow and arrow - 1. Boy I went to high school with was bow hunting with his father. Saw movement and fired. Killed his father. The father was 30 foot up a tree in a stand wearing an orange vest. Not accidental, but my mother also shot my step-father in the leg with a bow and arrow. That was a tumultuous relationship.