Trayvon Martin

[johnmc]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

Biggest external influence on the country. Especially the youth. Not hard to see why people are interested.

 

[SWP's back]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

You think our society and culture is closer to Spain than America?

 

[mackenzie]

At some point your supposed to answer it though

It makes it worse because it suggests that anyone, and I do mean anyone, that didn't conform to his idea of 'normal and safe' should be subjected to what he did. I know you will say that this infers this wasn't a problem with just black lads in particular but I really hope you don't?

In the real world would i be more wary of a young kid wearing a hoodie hanging around than a 50 year old bloke with a white stick and a labrador, yes

in the land of perfection it shouldn't make a difference but it does, we all do it to suggest otherwise would be a lie

to clarify this relates to martin calling the police and following him not shooting the kid but i'm pretty sure you didn't jump to that conclusion

Don't be so ridiculous. . I'm not talking about a blind guy with a dog, I'm talking about someone Zimmerman would perceive to be able bodied but not a 'threat' as such.
Gated communities are harbingers of the feeling of cosy isolation yet are defence minded to the extreme. They fuel the problem.
Zimmerman shouldn't have even been the problem but he adopted that stance and enjoyed it.

 

[intheknow!]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

You think our society and culture is closer to Spain than America?

No, but our culture is not the same as America's either. British culture is different to American culture, just as it's different to Spanish culture, French culture etc. We are however governed by the same Laws, set down by the European Union and ECHR, as Spain. We are not in a Union or subject to the same Courts, Laws and rules as the US.

 

[johnmc]

No, but our culture is not the same as America's either. British culture is different to American culture, just as it's different to Spanish culture, French culture etc. We are however governed by the same Laws, set down by the European Union and ECHR, as Spain. We are not in a Union or subject to the same Courts, Laws and rules as the US.

Not the same but easily the closest.

 

[mcmanus]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

Bob on. When them couple of nutters in Boston set those bombs off it was 24/7 on our news channels.

 

[hilts]

It makes it worse because it suggests that anyone, and I do mean anyone, that didn't conform to his idea of 'normal and safe' should be subjected to what he did. I know you will say that this infers this wasn't a problem with just black lads in particular but I really hope you don't?

In the real world would i be more wary of a young kid wearing a hoodie hanging around than a 50 year old bloke with a white stick and a labrador, yes

in the land of perfection it shouldn't make a difference but it does, we all do it to suggest otherwise would be a lie

to clarify this relates to martin calling the police and following him not shooting the kid but i'm pretty sure you didn't jump to that conclusion

Don't be so ridiculous. . I'm not talking about a blind guy with a dog, I'm talking about someone Zimmerman would perceive to be able bodied but not a 'threat' as such.
Gated communities are harbingers of the feeling of cosy isolation yet are defence minded to the extreme. They fuel the problem.
Zimmerman shouldn't have even been the problem but he adopted that stance and enjoyed it.

your not answering the question again, are you saying that a persons appearence/behaviour would not make you wary under any circumstances? yes or no

after you spoke to Zimmerman and he told you how he enjoyed his position did he say anything else that could be relevant to this or are you just presuming for the umpteenth time

 

[SWP's back]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

Bob on. When them couple of nutters in Boston set those bombs off it was 24/7 on our news channels.

ANd the Madrid train bombings weren't?

@ITK, I agree with johnmc

 

[ElanJo]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

Same language is a big factor

 

[GStar]

Don't particularly like how the media, on both sides, are reporting events.

Nor the hordes of people on both sides who are making judgements without knowing the facts.

The whole thing's sad.

 

[intheknow!]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.

Bob on. When them couple of nutters in Boston set those bombs off it was 24/7 on our news channels.

I blame the media. Commercial businesses like papers and itv etc are free to do as they choose but it's an absolute scandal that the BBC do so little reporting on what's happening on the Continent. Britain is in Europe, we are European people in a European Union, we are NOT American in any way and never will be, yet watching and reading the media you would never know it. Maybe it's the language issue, but it's downright lazy and it's one of the main reasons Britain never feels truly part of the EU as a leading member that we should be and it contributes to such high levels of Euroscepticism.

 

[mackenzie]

In the real world would i be more wary of a young kid wearing a hoodie hanging around than a 50 year old bloke with a white stick and a labrador, yes

in the land of perfection it shouldn't make a difference but it does, we all do it to suggest otherwise would be a lie

to clarify this relates to martin calling the police and following him not shooting the kid but i'm pretty sure you didn't jump to that conclusion

Don't be so ridiculous. . I'm not talking about a blind guy with a dog, I'm talking about someone Zimmerman would perceive to be able bodied but not a 'threat' as such.
Gated communities are harbingers of the feeling of cosy isolation yet are defence minded to the extreme. They fuel the problem.
Zimmerman shouldn't have even been the problem but he adopted that stance and enjoyed it.

your not answering the question again, are you saying that a persons appearence/behaviour would not make you wary under any circumstances? yes or no

after you spoke to Zimmerman and he told you how he enjoyed his position did he say anything else that could be relevant to this or are you just presuming for the umpteenth time

And I asked if Zimmerman had been confronted with a white middle class college boy would he have done the same? You replied no, you didn't think so.
Did you ask him directly or was that just a guess too?
So we are both presuming here aren't we.
No need to get sarcy.
Anyway, it's my opinion that Zimmerman racially stereotyped that night.
Yes, it's a failing of human nature but I think it much more profound in the States than it is here.

 

[hilts]

Don't be so ridiculous. . I'm not talking about a blind guy with a dog, I'm talking about someone Zimmerman would perceive to be able bodied but not a 'threat' as such.
Gated communities are harbingers of the feeling of cosy isolation yet are defence minded to the extreme. They fuel the problem.
Zimmerman shouldn't have even been the problem but he adopted that stance and enjoyed it.

your not answering the question again, are you saying that a persons appearence/behaviour would not make you wary under any circumstances? yes or no

after you spoke to Zimmerman and he told you how he enjoyed his position did he say anything else that could be relevant to this or are you just presuming for the umpteenth time

And I asked if Zimmerman had been confronted with a white middle class college boy would he have done the same? You replied no, you didn't think so.
Did you ask him directly or was that just a guess too?
So we are both presuming here aren't we.
No need to get sarcy.
Anyway, it's my opinion that Zimmerman racially stereotyped that night.
Yes, it's a failing of human nature but I think it much more profound in the States than it is here.

you silly woman you asked me to guess i don't have a clue, you admitted you thought Zimmerman would have acted the same if the guy was a young white lad wearing a hoodie and a tattoo but you state Zimmerman racially stereotyped him, if he would have done the same with a white lad how can it be racial

and again

are you saying that a persons appearance/behaviour would not make you wary under any circumstances? yes or no

 

[Josh Blue]

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[mcmanus]

I still don't reckon he did it.

 

[hilts]

I still don't reckon he did it.

grassy knoll?

 

[ElanJo]

Walking through the airport last week I saw a group of 5 or so arabs decked out in full Islamic gear. I turned to a mate and said jokingly 'I hope they aren't on our flight'. I was only half joking.

Walked onto the plane and there they were.

Was I concerned to some degree? Yes. Did I die? No. Was I wrong? Yes. Am I racist against arabs and/or prejudiced against Muslims? No.


I'd put it to anyone that Zimmerman's action to call the police about what he saw was, based on the fact that burglaries (esp. on RVC) are much more common than terrorist attacks on planes, much more understandable than what I thought at the airport. And yet I am sure we've all had those thoughts on a plane or at an airport at some point.

I think a large part of the evening was most likely a string of understandable but incorrect thoughts, choices and actions. In the end tho, based on the evidence and having watched every minute of the trial, I think it's clear that the jury made the right decision. Trayvon's death, a tragedy in human terms for sure, was almost certainly justifiable.

 

[hilts]

Walking through the airport last week I saw a group of 5 or so arabs decked out in full Islamic gear. I turned to a mate and said jokingly 'I hope they aren't on our flight'. I was only half joking.

Walked onto the plane and there they were.

Was I concerned to some degree? Yes. Did I die? No. Was I wrong? Yes. Am I racist against arabs and/or prejudiced against Muslims? No.


I'd put it to anyone that Zimmerman's action to call the police about what he saw was, based on the fact that burglaries (esp. on RVC) are much more common than terrorist attacks on planes, much more understandable than what I thought at the airport. And yet I am sure we've all had those thoughts on a plane or at an airport at some point.

I think a large part of the evening was most likely a string of understandable but incorrect thoughts, choices and actions. In the end tho, based on the evidence and having watched every minute of the trial, I think it's clear that the jury made the right decision. Trayvon's death, a tragedy in human terms for sure, was almost certainly justifiable.

I don't think you can say they were justifiable, what it comes down to is how the conversation went at the point when they actually came into contact and we will never know how that conversation went

 

[mcmanus]

I still don't reckon he did it.

grassy knoll?

Nah. Round our house shagging me auntie. Loudly.

 

[ElanJo]

Walking through the airport last week I saw a group of 5 or so arabs decked out in full Islamic gear. I turned to a mate and said jokingly 'I hope they aren't on our flight'. I was only half joking.

Walked onto the plane and there they were.

Was I concerned to some degree? Yes. Did I die? No. Was I wrong? Yes. Am I racist against arabs and/or prejudiced against Muslims? No.


I'd put it to anyone that Zimmerman's action to call the police about what he saw was, based on the fact that burglaries (esp. on RVC) are much more common than terrorist attacks on planes, much more understandable than what I thought at the airport. And yet I am sure we've all had those thoughts on a plane or at an airport at some point.

I think a large part of the evening was most likely a string of understandable but incorrect thoughts, choices and actions. In the end tho, based on the evidence and having watched every minute of the trial, I think it's clear that the jury made the right decision. Trayvon's death, a tragedy in human terms for sure, was almost certainly justifiable.

I don't think you can say they were justifiable, what it comes down to is how the conversation went at the point when they actually came into contact and we will never know how that conversation went

Based on an eye(ear)witness (her name escapes me atm) the conversation right before the fight was a quick A-B-A (person A said something, person B replied and then A said something)

Itt doesn't come down to that tho. As I've said a few times now, I can throw a punch at you (and land) and yet be justified in using deadly force against you at a later time.

Imagine that I walk up and punch you. I've started the fight but it does not mean that I have to just let you do whatever you want to me in reply. If you jump on me (cutting off any hope of retreat) and whip out a machete am I expected to hold my hands up and say "oh, ok, fair enough, I punched you. my bad. you can decapitate me and I'm not allowed to do shit". Nope. I can use deadly force on you, you machete wielding twat ;).