Has that been made an official club statement with a name attatched?Prestwich_Blue said:I agree people are sometimes too quick to run to the press when they should be giving a chance to the club to sort it out.bluelol said:Why would you want to involve the press, (Don't we get enough negative press already)
But the safety of fans is far more important than anything else. Anyone in 109 will tell you it was a hairsbreadth from kicking off on Saturday. Plus the club statement made it clear where they stood and that lost them the opportunity to be given the chance to investigate.
'a spokesperson'The cookie monster said:Has that been made an official club statement with a name attatched?Prestwich_Blue said:I agree people are sometimes too quick to run to the press when they should be giving a chance to the club to sort it out.bluelol said:Why would you want to involve the press, (Don't we get enough negative press already)
But the safety of fans is far more important than anything else. Anyone in 109 will tell you it was a hairsbreadth from kicking off on Saturday. Plus the club statement made it clear where they stood and that lost them the opportunity to be given the chance to investigate.
The cookie monster said:Has that been made an official club statement with a name attatched?Prestwich_Blue said:I agree people are sometimes too quick to run to the press when they should be giving a chance to the club to sort it out.bluelol said:Why would you want to involve the press, (Don't we get enough negative press already)
But the safety of fans is far more important than anything else. Anyone in 109 will tell you it was a hairsbreadth from kicking off on Saturday. Plus the club statement made it clear where they stood and that lost them the opportunity to be given the chance to investigate.
bluelol said:The cookie monster said:Has that been made an official club statement with a name attatched?Prestwich_Blue said:I agree people are sometimes too quick to run to the press when they should be giving a chance to the club to sort it out.
But the safety of fans is far more important than anything else. Anyone in 109 will tell you it was a hairsbreadth from kicking off on Saturday. Plus the club statement made it clear where they stood and that lost them the opportunity to be given the chance to investigate.
Not to my knowledge
M18CTID said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:Matty said:The club need to make a call, allow 109 to be a standing block, or insist it's seating only.
Once they make this call (some might say they already have), then they need to enforce whatever decision they make.
However the METHOD of enforcement is clearly not working, and in my opinion, is the incorrect one to use.
IF City have decided there is to be no standing in block 109 then the only way to sensibly enforce it is, again in my opinion, the following:-
1 - Send a letter out to everyone in block 109 stating it's a seated only block. Explain the repercussions should you refuse to sit.
2 - On match days, reiterate the message from the letter, that 109 is seating only.
3 - Get the stewards to politely, but firmly, from the front row and working backwards, ask the fans to sit down.
4 - For anyone who refuses to sit down, take a note of their seat number and row.
5 - After the game, but prior to the next home match, send out letters to all those who refused to sit. Inform them that, for the next home game, their ticket has been deactivated and they may not attaend the game (only 1 match).
6 - Should people persistently offend increase the match bans, to 2 games, 3 games etc.
7 - Eventually, should someone still refuse to sit, remove their seasoncard completely.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with the decision to make people sit, I actually have no strong dfeelings one way or the other, I'll do what those around me do. I'm lucky in respect that I sit so far back in 109 that I never get asked to sit down. What I am saying is that IF the club have made the decision they need to enforce it sensibly, and safely. The method they use at present, which seems to be a mix of intimidation, force and ffan removals, isn't working, causes as many issues as it prevents, and is demonstratively dangerous.
The problem with the standing regulation is it is open to so many interpretations which makes it unenforceable.
Standing up during the game is permitted. The trouble is around the word ''persistantly''.
The Football Licensing Authority (FLA) will tell you themselves that standing up ''at moments of excitment'' is permitted. But how do you define what is exciting and what isnt. This will vary from person to person. For many fans, the whole game is exciting! Is getting a corner exciting enough to warrent getting on your feet? (it was when Stuart Pearce was manager!!)
Liverpool had this issue in the Kop a few years ago and the fans group organising a standing 'zone' met with safety officers and came to an agreement that they could remain doing what they were doing as long as every now and then a steward would walk up past the section and the fans had to sit down ''for a few moments'' (assuming they didnt score during that time) - just to break up that ''persistant'' standing tag. This worked and satisfied both the safety officers requirements and fans desires.
Great post - there are too many grey areas around the regulations regarding standing in all-seater stadia. As such, a commonsense approach should ensue but commonsense all too often doesn't come into it as we saw on Saturday yet on the flip side the example you cite of what they do on the Kop at Anfield shows that commonsense can work. Of course, the scenario Prestwich cites of one person persistently standing up and getting reprimanded for it because hundreds of others around them are sat down is a good one. However, when you get an area of the ground where the majority like to stand then it will lead to big problems if the stewards employ the wrong tactics.
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:I'm pissed off with the club now. Can anyone clear up whether stewards can manhandle you (assault in my opinion) or do they have to get the police to forcibly eject you? If it is the job of the police then why, when clearly shown on the video, are the club allowing stewards to assault the fans. What if we were to start acting in self defence, would the club and police turn a blind eye to it? Just need it clearing up for future reference because the club statement clearly gives Showsec license to bully.
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:I'm pissed off with the club now. Can anyone clear up whether stewards can manhandle you (assault in my opinion) or do they have to get the police to forcibly eject you? If it is the job of the police then why, when clearly shown on the video, are the club allowing stewards to assault the fans. What if we were to start acting in self defence, would the club and police turn a blind eye to it? Just need it clearing up for future reference because the club statement clearly gives Showsec license to bully.
Can you tell us what they say about it?Mikecini said:On radio now