Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

[grunge]

...give up SOME freedoms....

and vehemently disagree is one thing. Being called all sorts is another.

I've not read the rest of the thread so apologies if this is already covered, but what freedoms can we give up that will stop this? and Paris?

This seems to be a loaner, who no matter what you do you wont stop. Paris was arranged on open non encrypted text messages so were readily readable to the authorities but were missed.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Do you mean the members of the Polish Airforce that fled to Britain prior to playing a major part of the Battle of Britain?

I'm pretty sure he meant the millions of resistance fighters that stayed in their home lands to fight oppression

 

[west didsblue]

Pedestrian anti terrorist action is indeed required, a trial should start in Norwich, the answer to this problem is that simple, call in Alan Partridge

Banning religion, giving up human rights, blaming Blair,house to house searches,making Saddam a martyr and asking Steve coogan to head up NATO

I'm guessing from that stupid response that you think we should just shrug our shoulders and let the terrorists get on with it rather than take some sensible measures that might make it a bit harder for them to kill large numbers of people.

 

[TCIB]

I find myself getting angry at the "pray for nice" stuff, it does nothing, in fact it feels a bit shallow, not insincere but empty and shallow, it means nothing and for some reason i find it rather annoying.

 

[mat]

Can we put the politics in another thread and just remember the victims in this one?

It's a good debate that maybe deserving of its own status.

 

[mat]

I find myself getting angry at the "pray for nice" stuff, it does nothing, in fact it feels a bit shallow, not insincere but empty and shallow, it means nothing and for some reason i find it rather annoying.

I usually ignore it as its grief narcissism in my head. Maybe for a minority it's a way of showing support? I'd still say 90% of them are look at me posts.

 

[Pino]

President Hollande will be on his way out very soon.
He's been a complete disaster for the French.
He may well now wish to reflect on his willingness to support, and promote the US's and Gulf States policy of regime change in Syria.
A great pity he chose to put Washingtons interests ahead of France's interests. Dangerous and counter productive.
Regretablly there will be no respite for the French, since Washingtons man Sarkozy (of Libya fame) will be installed at the next French elections.
That will of course mean, one thing : more slaughter.

 

[hilts]

I'm guessing from that stupid response that you think we should just shrug our shoulders and let the terrorists get on with it rather than take some sensible measures that might make it a bit harder for them to kill large numbers of people.

If after many repeated threads on this subject you have an answer I'm all ears

 

[bobmcfc]

Just reported that there are children injured in hospital and also in police stations who have yet to be claimed by parents. So sad

 

[west didsblue]

If after many repeated threads on this subject you have an answer I'm all ears

Of course I haven't got an answer to solve everything, but it's not rocket science to suggest that it's a good idea to make it more difficult for large vehicles to be in the same area as large crowds. A bit of police tape and a road closed sign isn't much of a deterrent.

 

[BooksReject]

Just reported that there are children injured in hospital and also in police stations who have yet to be claimed by parents. So sad

That's absolutely heartbreaking

 

[kaz7]

Just catching up,84 dead and hundreds injured,sad times for France again

 

[hilts]

Of course I haven't got an answer to solve everything, but it's not rocket science to suggest that it's a good idea to make it more difficult for large vehicles to be in the same area as large crowds. A bit of police tape and a road closed sign isn't much of a deterrent.

I underestimated you stopping large vehicles going near crowds is a very sensible policy

 

[FanchesterCity]

Of course I haven't got an answer to solve everything, but it's not rocket science to suggest that it's a good idea to make it more difficult for large vehicles to be in the same area as large crowds. A bit of police tape and a road closed sign isn't much of a deterrent.

In hindsight, it's easy to suggest protection measures for vehicles, but it costs money.
Not only that, what happens when a large crowd gathers and some terrorist wearing a suicide vest kills and mame plenty but the emergency services are hindered by lack of access?
It doesn't even to be a large vehicle. I'm sure a car could do plenty of damage.

If you have any large congregation of people, those people need to get there somehow. If it's not by car, it's by bus, or tram etc, and if you stop all those, then it's on foot. Whichever of those it is, still remains vulnerable. For instance, if you ban all vehicles and only have people on foot, then you slow down the rate of dispersal which becomes a different vulnerability, and you have far larger numbers of pedestrians walking down roads further way from the event giving terrorist more opportunity over a wider area.

We have to accept vulnerability.

 

[CTID1988]

I find myself getting angry at the "pray for nice" stuff, it does nothing, in fact it feels a bit shallow, not insincere but empty and shallow, it means nothing and for some reason i find it rather annoying.

I feel exactly same. Almost feels insulting to the victims that all we can muster is a hash tag on twitter

 

[worsleyweb]

Of course I haven't got an answer to solve everything, but it's not rocket science to suggest that it's a good idea to make it more difficult for large vehicles to be in the same area as large crowds. A bit of police tape and a road closed sign isn't much of a deterrent.

Not in this country we don't have to do that yet! It makes my blood boil that we have to dance around this subject. The reason France suffers is because it has 9 million Muslims a percentage of which are extremist. That might be 0.0001% it might be ten percent it might be 5% but whatever it is it is a disgrace that children are dead or orphaned today because of warped believes. It is common sense that no stone whatsoever should be unturned in ensuring that intelligence and a zero tolerance approach to any sign of religious extremism is the most important thing that needs to take place to combat extremism in this country. We shouldn't have to even think about putting bollards up to stop evil occurences like last night!

 

[Saddleworth2]

I understand it perfectly mate. At a time when we should have been at the heart of Europe leading the management of a crisis that has millions of innocent men, women and children being herded round Europe, sleeping on streets and being vilified for having the temerity of fleeing a war in their homeland not of their creation, we vote to exit EU and appoint Boris fucking Johnson as our voice to the rest of the world. I can't put into words how tragic this whole shambles is.

You really do need to evaluate what you've just written. Not helpful, not true and not relevant.

what part isn't true Mate?

 

[hilts]

In hindsight, it's easy to suggest protection measures for vehicles, but it costs money.
Not only that, what happens when a large crowd gathers and some terrorist wearing a suicide vest kills and mame plenty but the emergency services are hindered by lack of access?
It doesn't even to be a large vehicle. I'm sure a car could do plenty of damage.

If you have any large congregation of people, those people need to get there somehow. If it's not by car, it's by bus, or tram etc, and if you stop all those, then it's on foot. Whichever of those it is, still remains vulnerable. For instance, if you ban all vehicles and only have people on foot, then you slow down the rate of dispersal which becomes a different vulnerability, and you have far larger numbers of pedestrians walking down roads further way from the event giving terrorist more opportunity over a wider area.

We have to accept vulnerability.

Bugsy Malone cars and marshmallow guns?

 

[worsleyweb]

In hindsight, it's easy to suggest protection measures for vehicles, but it costs money.
Not only that, what happens when a large crowd gathers and some terrorist wearing a suicide vest kills and mame plenty but the emergency services are hindered by lack of access?
It doesn't even to be a large vehicle. I'm sure a car could do plenty of damage.

If you have any large congregation of people, those people need to get there somehow. If it's not by car, it's by bus, or tram etc, and if you stop all those, then it's on foot. Whichever of those it is, still remains vulnerable. For instance, if you ban all vehicles and only have people on foot, then you slow down the rate of dispersal which becomes a different vulnerability, and you have far larger numbers of pedestrians walking down roads further way from the event giving terrorist more opportunity over a wider area.

We have to accept vulnerability.

We don't have to accept anything.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Do you mean the members of the Polish Airforce that fled to Britain prior to playing a major part of the Battle of Britain?

The Polish resistance movement in World War II, with the Polish Home Army at its forefront, was the largest underground resistance in all of Nazi-occupied Europe,[a] covering both German and Soviet zones of occupation. The Polish defence against the Nazi occupation was an important part of the European anti-fascist resistance movement. It is most notable for disrupting German supply lines to the Eastern Front, providing military intelligence to the British, and for saving more Jewish lives in the Holocaust than any other Allied organization or government. It was a part of the Polish Underground State.as for the polish airforce they didn't move to some suburb of Europe and do fuck all so I don't really call that fleeing would you ?