TUC Conference

[Challenger1978]

Do you really believe that ?

Of course he doesn't - nobody could be that dumb!

It would'nt surprise me if he really did believe that. Infact in wouldn't surprise me if some member on here were fully paid up members of the communist party.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

One thing that didn't quite sit right with me yesterday.....I met a client early yesterday morning at the Radisson and it was absolutely packed with Union people. Now I might be mistaken, but aren't there only two 5 Star hotels in Manchester? That and the Lowry, so couldn't they have stayed somewhere a little less pricey given the tone of the conference this week?

We got talking to staff, and it appears they weren't shy about living it up at the night either.

I then went on to meet another client in The Midland and guess what? Yep, full of them again.

Doesn't seem quite right that given the more 'cost effective' options in Town.

EDIT: I'm not a Rent Boy by the way, just to clear that up.

probably not. every hotel in Manchester is booked solid. my son tried to book a room for Saturday night., the only room he could get was £165 a night the Marriott the only room they had left

 

[mat]

Of course he doesn't - nobody could be that dumb!

It would'nt surprise me if he really did believe that. Infact in wouldn't surprise me if some member on here were fully paid up members of the communist party.

Probably paid tories,fascists,lib dumbs,greens and other minority parties too. That's the rich tapestry of Bluemoon.

Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some general points distinguishing the two concepts, however, can still be identified.

One point that is frequently raised to distinguish socialism from communism is that socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism generally refers to both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. Socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, however, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of the means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.


Another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to limit that number to a smaller group.

 

[Ducado]

Look there is an option for all the Old Socialists and Communists, there is a country far away that is a workers paradise, no private ownership at all, I am sure you would all be happy there and that country is

North Korea!

 

[cyberblue]

Unions really are irrelevant nowadays, just lots of (very wealthy) Union Leaders trying to have their day in the sun, the members will not strike on mass, as they know their jobs are already at risk, why go on strike and risk been outsourced, to a Private Company.

It's all bluff and nonsense designed to make members think that they can actually do anything apart from making sound bites.

Unions are not just about strikes local reps help there members every day with in all sorts of ways ,helping to get them compasoinate leave , stop them being bullied .victimised , ensure health & saftey in the workplace complies with the law . ect ect

 

[Damocles]

The private sector bleeds the world of humanity.
Giving the private sector a free reign has proved disasterous time and time again.
Supporting such a system shows a lack of rational though.
Wealth is not happiness. We do not need wealth.

You've never been really, really poor have you?

Trust me, depressing isn't even the fucking word for it when you are sitting with every piece of clothing you have on because you can't find £2 to put in a gas meter in the dead of winter.

 

[Ducado]

Unions really are irrelevant nowadays, just lots of (very wealthy) Union Leaders trying to have their day in the sun, the members will not strike on mass, as they know their jobs are already at risk, why go on strike and risk been outsourced, to a Private Company.

It's all bluff and nonsense designed to make members think that they can actually do anything apart from making sound bites.

Unions are not just about strikes local reps help there members every day with in all sorts of ways ,helping to get them compasoinate leave , stop them being bullied .victimised , ensure health & saftey in the workplace complies with the law . ect ect

I am sure they do, and that is what they are there for, not to play at politics, I think they would get a lot more members if they stuck to their core objectives

 

[barney10]

Unions are not just about strikes local reps help there members every day with in all sorts of ways ,helping to get them compassionate leave , stop them being bullied .victimised , ensure health & safety in the workplace complies with the law . ect ect

I am sure they do, and that is what they are there for, not to play at politics, I think they would get a lot more members if they stuck to their core objectives

Not play politics. It would be great if Trade Unions didn't have to but in Britain we do. The Trades Unions formed the Labour Party we are at the very heart of British democracy. Whilst we are demonised it always strikes me as funny that i don't hear the outcry when the CBI and other have thrown billions into lobbying politicians.

 

[mat]

Look there is an option for all the Old Socialists and Communists, there is a country far away that is a workers paradise, no private ownership at all, I am sure you would all be happy there and that country is

North Korea!

I'd prefer Cuba Duccy:

Minimum food rations so no-one goes without.

Best education and healths systems in the world where it's compulsory to visit your doctor every 6 months as they believe prevention is better than cure.

Self determined who's ingenuity has triumphed over an illegal US blockade.

Workers have homes provided by the state which they are allowed to use one room as a restaurant if they want to earn some money, anyone workshy is shunned from society.

Most of all the social cohesion. Non of this 'I'm alright Jack' Bullshit we have over here.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Look there is an option for all the Old Socialists and Communists, there is a country far away that is a workers paradise, no private ownership at all, I am sure you would all be happy there and that country is

North Korea!

I'd prefer Cuba Duccy:

Minimum food rations so no-one goes without.

Best education and healths systems in the world where it's compulsory to visit your doctor every 6 months as they believe prevention is better than cure.

Self determined who's ingenuity has triumphed over an illegal US blockade.

Workers have homes provided by the state which they are allowed to use one room as a restaurant if they want to earn some money, anyone workshy is shunned from society.

Most of all the social cohesion. Non of this 'I'm alright Jack' Bullshit we have over here.

Yes, its that brilliant, they don't want anyone to leave, so nobody does, except in leaky boats through shark infested seas in extreme weather. All this to get to the dreadful USA. For god's sake, if you think this is a socialist paradise,you can go willingly. Funny but nobody ever does. It's great for holidays but if you think a country that has an average income of around $40 a week can be lauded as a great example of success and stability you must be in love with the myth of communism.
Anyway it looks like Castro junior is starting to realise all this does'nt work. The system will die out soon like it has in Eastern Europe/will do in China.
It was never about power to the people. It's about power to the chosen few.