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[Ducado]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

I really don't understand how people can bring up events from his past as justification for racist abuse or death threats. To me they are irrelevant. If you want to call him a woman beater, a moron or a c**t of the highest order, then by all means go ahead, but death threats and racism are inexcusable and I don't really see how anyone can see it differently. The fact that these cretins are doing it because he gave his opinion that a player of the team they support dived for a penalty (which he did, not that it really matters) is truly ridiculous. Too many people think the internet is a free pass to just ignore the law and do whatever you want. If you called his phone and left him an answering machine message like some of the messages on twitter then I very much doubt anyone would have any sympathy when you got into trouble, so I don't see why the internet should be seen any differently. People should be held accountable for what they say, whatever the medium imo

I am not making comparisons all I am saying is that man with his past history of violence towards women should not be given the opportunity to become a media celebrity, would we allow a convicted pedophile the same privilege? This is what angers women I have spoken to about this, he made a choice he chose violence

 

[BigOscar]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

I really don't understand how people can bring up events from his past as justification for racist abuse or death threats. To me they are irrelevant. If you want to call him a woman beater, a moron or a c**t of the highest order, then by all means go ahead, but death threats and racism are inexcusable and I don't really see how anyone can see it differently. The fact that these cretins are doing it because he gave his opinion that a player of the team they support dived for a penalty (which he did, not that it really matters) is truly ridiculous. Too many people think the internet is a free pass to just ignore the law and do whatever you want. If you called his phone and left him an answering machine message like some of the messages on twitter then I very much doubt anyone would have any sympathy when you got into trouble, so I don't see why the internet should be seen any differently. People should be held accountable for what they say, whatever the medium imo

I am not making comparisons all I am saying is that man with his past history of violence towards women should not be given the opportunity to become a media celebrity, would we allow a convicted pedophile the same privilege? This is what angers women I have spoken to about this, he made a choice he chose violence

I don't disagree that he is a baffling choice of person to be allowed such a prominent place in the media, as are an awful lot of ex footballers with long lists of alcohol and violence related pasts. If anyone wants to rally against his suitability on these grounds then I'd fully support them, but that's not what's been happening. People have been launching viscious, criminal attacks against him and are now trying to use his past as justification for their unnacceptable behaviour

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

The problem is that people want to police twitter like it is the real world, unfortunately you can't and there is a good reason why you can't. It would waste resources and clog up the courts if you caught everybody, and if you did the re-tweeting abuse would have to stop, because the police would have to take action against those who abuse the trolls. You can only go after those who are the most extreme or attract the most publicity. Repeated attempts are also needed, the guy that abused Tom Daley didn't do anything illegal in telling him he let his dad down, it was just he kept up the abuse and crossed the harassment threshold.

Also I have seen people talking about "free speech" in terms of only what the law is, it wouldn't be wrong to restrict it because it is already the law but that really does take us down a difficult path.

Racist abuse, repeated personal attacks, and death threats are not on, but do you treat them as the same as if the had happened in real life? No, I don't think you can, people can always leave social media without much inconvenience, I don't think it is the same as email, texts, phone calls , letters or in person. That is not say it is completely fine but you run the risk of those sort of responses when you use a medium open to the world which is so easily accessible.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

A few women friends have expressed surprise that with his history of violence against women that he is actually on the radio at all, and people wonder why football does not attract more women, it says a lot about Talksport as well

When you say a history of violence against women was there more than one occasion? Genuine question as I am only aware of the one incident which is still indefencible but was over 10 years ago and has not reoccured.

 

[AntiUnited]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

A few women friends have expressed surprise that with his history of violence against women that he is actually on the radio at all, and people wonder why football does not attract more women, it says a lot about Talksport as well

When you say a history of violence against women was there more than one occasion? Genuine question as I am only aware of the one incident which is still indefencible but was over 10 years ago and has not reoccured.

they love to exaggerate(news )...

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

In an act of either unalloyed bravery or abject stupidty, I asked Mrs Fetlocks over breakfast if she would rather I called her a French **** on a social network website, or punched her repeatedly in the face and threatened to kill her.
After staring at me quizzically as if I really were the drooling halfwit she considers me to be, she said that being called names on the internet wouldn't bother her in the slightest, whereas being punched in the face would ruin her day.
She also added that if I so much as considered either option, she would remove my testicles with blunt secateurs without batting an eyelid.

 

[Mental_blue]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

I don't think its right that a choice has to be between staying on social media, receiving death threats and racist abuse and leaving all together.

Also don't think having a criminal record makes a person fair game for racist abuse and death threats.

We all know his record, and I don't think he can have any complaints if he cops it over Ulrika. But the other stuff is not acceptable to anyone and is a criminal offence.

Well said.

I agree with your sentiments here Moomba. You cannot condone this sort of behaviour depending on the the target. After all, you speak to any Rag and their justification for the Cantona kung fu kick is that the victim was a known racist. Does that make Cantona any less of a vile individual?

Whilst Collymore has put himself up to get shot at, his argument isn't just the personal abuse he gets but the general controls in place over signing up meaning that anyone can sign up and personally abuse and threaten people both in the public eye and private individuals. Surely that can't be right and it can't be right that some people's solution to this is for the victims to get off Twitter if they can't take it.

Some of you will know that I am not from these shores. When I first came to this country 46 years ago I used to get abused just walking down the street as a young kid so should have I just thought "oh well the police have got better things to do" and when I first started going to pubs and to matches, abuse was common place. Should my response have been to stay away from these?

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

In an act of either unalloyed bravery or abject stupidty, I asked Mrs Fetlocks over breakfast if she would rather I called her a French **** on a social network website, or punched her repeatedly in the face and threatened to kill her.
After staring at me quizzically as if I really were the drooling halfwit she considers me to be, she said that being called names on the internet wouldn't bother her in the slightest, whereas being punched in the face would ruin her day.
She also added that if I so much as considered either option, she would remove my testicles with blunt secateurs without batting an eyelid.

Couple off things here - the violence you refer to is exaggerated as Ulrika was papped after the incident with no noticeable marks. Not that a slap is accetable by the way.

Secondly I understand that it is just words on a screen which maybe isnt comparable to violence however if it is hundreds of people (and thats not an exageration) giving death threats and handing out racial abuse then the matter is a little more serious than the old "sticks and stones" argument in my opinion.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

In an act of either unalloyed bravery or abject stupidty, I asked Mrs Fetlocks over breakfast if she would rather I called her a French **** on a social network website, or punched her repeatedly in the face and threatened to kill her.
After staring at me quizzically as if I really were the drooling halfwit she considers me to be, she said that being called names on the internet wouldn't bother her in the slightest, whereas being punched in the face would ruin her day.
She also added that if I so much as considered either option, she would remove my testicles with blunt secateurs without batting an eyelid.

Couple off things here - the violence you refer to is exaggerated as Ulrika was papped after the incident with no noticeable marks. Not that a slap is accetable by the way.

Secondly I understand that it is just words on a screen which maybe isnt comparable to violence however if it is hundreds of people (and thats not an exageration) giving death threats and handing out racial abuse then the matter is a little more serious than the old "sticks and stones" argument in my opinion.

Women are very adept at using makeup to cover domestic abuse, as well as defending violent partners.
I have worked with such women, and almost without exception they behaved in the same manner, as no woman likes looking like a punchbag.
That you are quick to minimise Collymore's violence speaks volumes.
Maybe she 'deserved' it anyway?
I detest racism, whether online or in society, but in no way does it compare to having a real person threaten to take your life and physically assault you.
Online death threats have never actually caused a fatality, as far as I'm aware.
Violent men kill their partners every day.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

In an act of either unalloyed bravery or abject stupidty, I asked Mrs Fetlocks over breakfast if she would rather I called her a French **** on a social network website, or punched her repeatedly in the face and threatened to kill her.
After staring at me quizzically as if I really were the drooling halfwit she considers me to be, she said that being called names on the internet wouldn't bother her in the slightest, whereas being punched in the face would ruin her day.
She also added that if I so much as considered either option, she would remove my testicles with blunt secateurs without batting an eyelid.

Couple off things here - the violence you refer to is exaggerated as Ulrika was papped after the incident with no noticeable marks. Not that a slap is accetable by the way.

Secondly I understand that it is just words on a screen which maybe isnt comparable to violence however if it is hundreds of people (and thats not an exageration) giving death threats and handing out racial abuse then the matter is a little more serious than the old "sticks and stones" argument in my opinion.

Women are very adept at using makeup to cover domestic abuse, as well as defending violent partners.
I have worked with such women, and almost without exception they behaved in the same manner, as no woman likes looking like a punchbag.
That you are quick to minimise Collymore's violence speaks volumes.
Maybe she 'deserved' it anyway?
I detest racism, whether online or in society, but in no way does it compare to having a real person threaten to take your life and physically assault you.
Online death threats have never actually caused a fatality, as far as I'm aware.
Violent men kill their partners every day.

She was papped after the incident, as in straight away after the incident. I appreciate that women use make up to cover up bruising from the night before but this wasnt that situation. Ulrika claims she was repeatedly punched and kicked in the head. I just question her version of events given the evidence. He admits a slap which I certainly do not condone and I do not think she deserved that at all. I do not know who is telling the truth but given the photographic evidence minutes after the alleged attack id side with common sense that she was not given the beating she describes.

Also I have never been racially abused. I therefore have no idea whether I would prefer a slap compared to 100's of racial insults. I do know that different people are affected different by things. Yopu might say its words on a screen but these words on screens are becoming responsible for more and more suicides in this country due to trolls and the like. You see it in the press most weeks that some kid has called it a day due to internet abuse. So I wouldnt belittle the effect words can have to some people.