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[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

Couple off things here - the violence you refer to is exaggerated as Ulrika was papped after the incident with no noticeable marks. Not that a slap is accetable by the way.

Secondly I understand that it is just words on a screen which maybe isnt comparable to violence however if it is hundreds of people (and thats not an exageration) giving death threats and handing out racial abuse then the matter is a little more serious than the old "sticks and stones" argument in my opinion.

Women are very adept at using makeup to cover domestic abuse, as well as defending violent partners.
I have worked with such women, and almost without exception they behaved in the same manner, as no woman likes looking like a punchbag.
That you are quick to minimise Collymore's violence speaks volumes.
Maybe she 'deserved' it anyway?
I detest racism, whether online or in society, but in no way does it compare to having a real person threaten to take your life and physically assault you.
Online death threats have never actually caused a fatality, as far as I'm aware.
Violent men kill their partners every day.

She was papped after the incident, as in straight away after the incident. I appreciate that women use make up to cover up bruising from the night before but this wasnt that situation. Ulrika claims she was repeatedly punched and kicked in the head. I just question her version of events given the evidence. He admits a slap which I certainly do not condone and I do not think she deserved that at all. I do not know who is telling the truth but given the photographic evidence minutes after the alleged attack id side with common sense that she was not given the beating she describes.

Also I have never been racially abused. I therefore have no idea whether I would prefer a slap compared to 100's of racial insults. I do know that different people are affected different by things. Yopu might say its words on a screen but these words on screens are becoming responsible for more and more suicides in this country due to trolls and the like. You see it in the press most weeks that some kid has called it a day due to internet abuse. So I wouldnt belittle the effect words can have to some people.

So because she didn't look too bad, she is probably fabricating?
Your first act was to diminish the actions of an abusive and violent partner.
Most reasonable folk's first response would be to call him a ****, and have every sympathy for the victim, not play down her injuries, and then effectively accuse her of lying.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about the semantics of just how hard or with what frequency he hit her - the fact he hit her is the bit that matters here.
Or do you deploy some sliding scale regarding the seriousness of domestic abuse based on how hard you hit a woman?
This really isn't a debate I want to get into, because if someone can't see that calling a person a black **** on an internet website, (awful as that is), isn't as bad as hitting them in the face and threatening to kill them, then I am wasting my time.

 

[Bigga]

The internet is a mad place. I don't think twitter itself has done anything wrong, it is just a platform. Blaming twitter for their failings to deal with abuse is like going up to the inventor of the car and blaming them if your in a car crash. They have co-operated very well in most cases so far.

Interesting analogy.

In light of what you've used and understanding you can't blame the inventor of the car for a crash, would you prefer a car with air bags or without air bags...??

Twitter can be made better, safer and with more responsibility knowing there are some idiots out there...

What's unsafe about it?

Is it safe for young, impressionable people to use as they talk about themselves? What if they have low self esteem? What if they are confused about their weight or sexual orientation? Depressed? What if they are seeking advice for any or all of these questions?

This whole thing goes beyond Collymore. So if Collymore shouldn't use it, should these young impressionable people not use it either?

Is Twitter meant to be designed for tough skinned hard cases??

I thought it would be a tool that people can use without being harassed? Guess not...

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

So because she didn't look too bad, she is probably fabricating?
Your first act was to diminish the actions of an abusive and violent partner.
Most reasonable folk's first response would be to call him a cnt, and have every sympathy for the victim, not play down her injuries, and then effectively accuse her of lying.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about the semantics of just how hard or with what frequency he hit her - the fact he hit her is the bit that matters here.
Or do you deploy some sliding scale regarding the seriousness of domestic abuse based on how hard you hit a woman?
This really isn't a debate I want to get into, because if someone can't see that calling a person a black cnt on an internet website, (awful as that is), isn't as bad as hitting them in the face and threatening to kill them, then I am wasting my time.

Of course there is a sliding scale. How can you say there isnt? If I punch and kick my girlfriend, knocking her teeth out and fracturing her cheekbone for no reason then in your eyes thats the same as a slap under provocation? (this doesnt relate to the Collymore incident just an example). I think you are wrong if you think its the same and the law would agree with me (not condoning either btw)

In respect of the Collymore incident then yes I do think she is fabricating somewhat given the evidence - If a 6ft 2 athlete punches and kicks someone in the head repeatedly then I would expect serious injuries. Also given that Collymore admits he slaps her and takes responsibility, has asked for witnesses to prove his version is the correct one, it was 15 years ago and there has been no repeat of the incident and Ulrika being currently out of the limelight now back in it. If I am wrong then I will gladly throw my hands up and admit it but based on the evidence I have, i think there is more fabrication on Ulrikas side.

Thats not supporting Collymore for what did actually happen, in no way shape or form so please drop that line. You say I should show sympathy for the victim which of course in ANY domestic abuse situation I will do. But this story has moved on from that. Are you saying that Collymore deserves racial abuse because of that situation? It was 15 years ago and last time I checked two worngs dont make a right.

The abuse he was getting was purely down to that incident then I would have no objections against it - but this all stems from him saying Suarez dived. I am not saying slapping a woman is the same as a racist remark. I am saying racial taunts and death threats whether on twitter or otherwise arent warranted.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

Women are very adept at using makeup to cover domestic abuse, as well as defending violent partners.
I have worked with such women, and almost without exception they behaved in the same manner, as no woman likes looking like a punchbag.
That you are quick to minimise Collymore's violence speaks volumes.
Maybe she 'deserved' it anyway?
I detest racism, whether online or in society, but in no way does it compare to having a real person threaten to take your life and physically assault you.
Online death threats have never actually caused a fatality, as far as I'm aware.
Violent men kill their partners every day.

She was papped after the incident, as in straight away after the incident. I appreciate that women use make up to cover up bruising from the night before but this wasnt that situation. Ulrika claims she was repeatedly punched and kicked in the head. I just question her version of events given the evidence. He admits a slap which I certainly do not condone and I do not think she deserved that at all. I do not know who is telling the truth but given the photographic evidence minutes after the alleged attack id side with common sense that she was not given the beating she describes.

Also I have never been racially abused. I therefore have no idea whether I would prefer a slap compared to 100's of racial insults. I do know that different people are affected different by things. Yopu might say its words on a screen but these words on screens are becoming responsible for more and more suicides in this country due to trolls and the like. You see it in the press most weeks that some kid has called it a day due to internet abuse. So I wouldnt belittle the effect words can have to some people.

So because she didn't look too bad, she is probably fabricating?
Your first act was to diminish the actions of an abusive and violent partner.
Most reasonable folk's first response would be to call him a ****, and have every sympathy for the victim, not play down her injuries, and then effectively accuse her of lying.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about the semantics of just how hard or with what frequency he hit her - the fact he hit her is the bit that matters here.
Or do you deploy some sliding scale regarding the seriousness of domestic abuse based on how hard you hit a woman?
This really isn't a debate I want to get into, because if someone can't see that calling a person a black **** on an internet website, (awful as that is), isn't as bad as hitting them in the face and threatening to kill them, then I am wasting my time.

I wouldn't say she is fabricating it but it doesn't strike me as out of character that Ulrika, would lie, although I have a personal dislike of her because of her personality, I have no fondness for Stan Collymore, just she pisses me off more. Of course domestic violence is worse, anybody trying to argue over that point is silly. unless it is the the exception to the rule: of a gang of kids using social media to extend their bullying of a young/vulnerable person, as opposed to a strongly provoked slap in a heated argument, not excusing it just exploring the comparison. Adults and Celebrities have to grow up basically, the internet is fantastic that you can communicate with "anybody in the world" but that is also its downfall at times. Ignore it, or send a draft automated message, if you want to report it to the police fine, but don't expect anything comes of it. If you can't handle something that has high volume of use and low moderation then you have to get off it, not because you should, just for your own personal state of mind, there will always be another asshole who wants to troll you.<br /><br />-- Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:08 pm --<br /><br />

So because she didn't look too bad, she is probably fabricating?
Your first act was to diminish the actions of an abusive and violent partner.
Most reasonable folk's first response would be to call him a cnt, and have every sympathy for the victim, not play down her injuries, and then effectively accuse her of lying.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about the semantics of just how hard or with what frequency he hit her - the fact he hit her is the bit that matters here.
Or do you deploy some sliding scale regarding the seriousness of domestic abuse based on how hard you hit a woman?
This really isn't a debate I want to get into, because if someone can't see that calling a person a black cnt on an internet website, (awful as that is), isn't as bad as hitting them in the face and threatening to kill them, then I am wasting my time.

Of course there is a sliding scale. How can you say there isnt? If I punch and kick my girlfriend, knocking her teeth out and fracturing her cheekbone for no reason then in your eyes thats the same as a slap under provocation? (this doesnt relate to the Collymore incident just an example). I think you are wrong if you think its the same and the law would agree with me (not condoning either btw)

In respect of the Collymore incident then yes I do think she is fabricating somewhat given the evidence - If a 6ft 2 athlete punches and kicks someone in the head repeatedly then I would expect serious injuries. Also given that Collymore admits he slaps her and takes responsibility, has asked for witnesses to prove his version is the correct one, it was 15 years ago and there has been no repeat of the incident and Ulrika being currently out of the limelight now back in it. If I am wrong then I will gladly throw my hands up and admit it but based on the evidence I have, i think there is more fabrication on Ulrikas side.

Thats not supporting Collymore for what did actually happen, in no way shape or form so please drop that line. You say I should show sympathy for the victim which of course in ANY domestic abuse situation I will do. But this story has moved on from that. Are you saying that Collymore deserves racial abuse because of that situation? It was 15 years ago and last time I checked two worngs dont make a right.

The abuse he was getting was purely down to that incident then I would have no objections against it - but this all stems from him saying Suarez dived. I am not saying slapping a woman is the same as a racist remark. I am saying racial taunts and death threats whether on twitter or otherwise arent warranted.

Yep, I agree with that. I am not sure why the violent incident is relevant, unless it is being used to say: "Stan collymore shithouse, fair game".

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

So because she didn't look too bad, she is probably fabricating?
Your first act was to diminish the actions of an abusive and violent partner.
Most reasonable folk's first response would be to call him a cnt, and have every sympathy for the victim, not play down her injuries, and then effectively accuse her of lying.
Frankly I don't give a fuck about the semantics of just how hard or with what frequency he hit her - the fact he hit her is the bit that matters here.
Or do you deploy some sliding scale regarding the seriousness of domestic abuse based on how hard you hit a woman?
This really isn't a debate I want to get into, because if someone can't see that calling a person a black cnt on an internet website, (awful as that is), isn't as bad as hitting them in the face and threatening to kill them, then I am wasting my time.

Of course there is a sliding scale. How can you say there isnt? If I punch and kick my girlfriend, knocking her teeth out and fracturing her cheekbone for no reason then in your eyes thats the same as a slap under provocation? (this doesnt relate to the Collymore incident just an example). I think you are wrong if you think its the same and the law would agree with me (not condoning either btw)

In respect of the Collymore incident then yes I do think she is fabricating somewhat given the evidence - If a 6ft 2 athlete punches and kicks someone in the head repeatedly then I would expect serious injuries. Also given that Collymore admits he slaps her and takes responsibility, has asked for witnesses to prove his version is the correct one, it was 15 years ago and there has been no repeat of the incident and Ulrika being currently out of the limelight now back in it. If I am wrong then I will gladly throw my hands up and admit it but based on the evidence I have, i think there is more fabrication on Ulrikas side.

Thats not supporting Collymore for what did actually happen, in no way shape or form so please drop that line. You say I should show sympathy for the victim which of course in ANY domestic abuse situation I will do. But this story has moved on from that. Are you saying that Collymore deserves racial abuse because of that situation? It was 15 years ago and last time I checked two worngs dont make a right.

The abuse he was getting was purely down to that incident then I would have no objections against it - but this all stems from him saying Suarez dived. I am not saying slapping a woman is the same as a racist remark. I am saying racial taunts and death threats whether on twitter or otherwise arent warranted.

You just don't get it, do you?
It's like explaining a colour chart to Stevie Wonder.
I didn't say that Collymore deserved death threats and racial abuse on the internet - he doesn't, and neither does anybody else.
I simply stated that punching someone in the face and saying you would kill them was much worse in the grand scheme of things.
Which it is.
Or at least it is to most folk.
Which was the point I attempted to convey in my original mock-humorous post that you took issue with.
I didn't realise that stating the obvious would prove so problematic to you.

 

[scarty10]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

I also have to make a comment on this nijinsky's fetlocks.

I don't know why, but your post regarding Mrs Fetlocks reaction to your question - in particluar the part where punching her repeatedly in the face would 'ruin her day'......made me p1ss myself laughing. Take a bow son.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

You just don't get it, do you?
It's like explaining a colour chart to Stevie Wonder.
I didn't say that Collymore deserved death threats and racial abuse on the internet - he doesn't, and neither does anybody else.
I simply stated that punching someone in the face and saying you would kill them was much worse in the grand scheme of things.
Which it is.
Or at least it is to most folk.
Which was the point I attempted to convey in my original mock-humorous post that you took issue with.
I didn't realise that stating the obvious would prove so problematic to you.

Who punched who?

We are arguing towards the same point then. Excellent. You manage to do that a lot.

 

[moomba]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

Does it matter which is worse?

 

[johnmc]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

Does it matter which is worse?

No, not at all. But some seem to use one to justify the other

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Re: Stan Collymore on Talksport

I also have to make a comment on this nijinsky's fetlocks.

I don't know why, but your post regarding Mrs Fetlocks reaction to your question - in particluar the part where punching her repeatedly in the face would 'ruin her day'......made me p1ss myself laughing. Take a bow son.

Cheers for the positive feedback - it makes a pleasant change from death threat pm's from idiots written in crayon.